Apparently, Terry Lakin, an active-duty Army surgeon and poster boy for the discredited birther nonsense that is claiming President Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen, is upset that the Army is not allowing him to make a circus of his court-martial.
Lakin is being hailed as a hero by the discredited birthers for disregarding his oath of office and announcing he intends to disobey all orders from his commanders and not deploy to Afghanistan until President Obama produces a birth certificate proving he is a U.S. citizen, even though the birth certificate has already been produced.
According to a press release by the rightwing “American Patriot Foundation” that is funding the circus, “the Army on Tuesday officially denied the request …for the testimony of Dr. Chiyome Fukino of the Hawaii Dept. of Health, and all of that agency's records that exist concerning the president's birth. That request was formally denied yesterday. Lakin had also requested the testimony of the custodians of records of, and the records relating to Obama's admission and financial aid that exist, of the Punahou School, Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School.”
Fukino is the Health Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, and she has issued numerous statements trying to reason with unreasonable people and put the witch-hunt to bed. She issued another statement last July that said President Obama was indeed born in Hawaii and is a U.S. citizen. He also issued a statement before the election in October 2008 that he saw the original birth certificate, and again in July. In fact, Hawaii is so sick of the nonsense from birthers that just two months ago that the Hawaii legislature officially passed a measure that “would allow state officials to legally ignore each month's dozens of repeated requests by persons or organizations seeking to see the infant Obama's actual birth certificate.”
“I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Fukino said in a brief statement last July. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."
Factcheck also put that no birth certificate myth to rest in August 2008, but it has not slowed down the crazies like Lakin and his supporters. Apparently, they believe there is a 47-year conspiracy involving the State of Hawaii, a couple of daily newspapers and the doctor and nurses present at the President’s birth.
Here is perhaps the funniest line in the press release, “…the President refuses --even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary-- to prove his eligibility under the Constitution to serve as President and Commander-in-Chief.”
The only “mounting evidence” points to how crazy Lakin and the rest of the birthers are.
According to the pres release, “the preliminary hearing, called an "investigation" under Article 32 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, will proceed on June 11, 2010 at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C. at 9:00 a.m. in room 134 of Building T-2.”
A final decision is made by Lakin's Commanding General, Major General Carla Hawley-Bowland, whether to refer the charges for the show trial the birthers so crave. That final decision is expected later this summer.
26 comments:
I'm not one that necessarily believes that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, but I'm not a disbeliever either. There has been no proof submitted one way or the other.
The health director saying he's seen it is not proof.
I suspect that this will be put to rest finally in 2012, if Obama is foolish enough to run again, assuming that he doesn't resign or get impeached and removed before then, because Arizona has passed a law requiring all Presidential Candidates to provide certified proof of their being born in the United States.
For $20 this issue could be put to bed and I am sure that congress could come up with the $20 if Obama can't. The longer this drags out the worse it looks for Obama. What is so secret on it that he doesn't want to show it?
“There has been no proof submitted one way or the other?” Like hell. There is his birth certificate, a birth announcement in two newspapers and the testimony of the doctor who delivered him.
Sorry, anonymous, more than the health director has seen it. It was put to rest more than two years ago. He will not only run again, he will be re-elected.
He has shown it. I suggest you read the links provided.
Obama has paid the $10 (in Hawaii birth certificates only cost $10) and received and shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii.
The Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is the only birth certificate that Hawaii issues. AND, Hawaii no longer sends out copies of the original birth certificate (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html).
So that is obviously the only birth certificate that he can post. Yes, his family had the original once, but like many people they lost it, so in 2007 Obama asked for a copy, and Hawaii sent him the Certification.
But the Certification of live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department. And Hawaii does not, and did not in 1961, allow a birth document of any kind to be issued that says on it "born in Hawaii' unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawii. Obama's birth certificate says on it 'born in Hawaii' and that fact has been repeatedly confirmed by the officials of the Department of Health of Hawaii and by the governor of Hawaii. And, there is even a witness who recalls being told of Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961 and writing home to her father, named Stanley, about the unusual event of a woman named Stanley giving birth that day (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2170432/posts0.
And, by the way, Obama's Kenyan grandmother did not say that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii, and in another interview she said that the first her family in Kenya heard about the birth was in a letter from Hawaii some months after the birth.
Re the law that Arizona passed: That requires candidates to show their official birth certificates. That is what Obama has already shown. No, it is not forged. The McCain campaign looked into that allegation and found it false, and the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on the document.
I did follow the links. Two of them are previous writings from you. You are not a reliable source. For you to use yourself as a source is arrogant to say the least, but reliable doesn't even come into play when you use yourself as a source. It does provide laughter for the rest of us though that someone would use their own words as a source.
Factcheck is also not reliable. It's run by socialist Democrats which makes it suspect before you even look at it.
The LA Times is another that is of the socialist Democrat bent, but even in their story, they had the following "For personal privacy reasons the certificate resides under government lock and key in Hawaii and, as is his right, Obama has never authorized its release. "
So the picture that they used of a birth certificate and which you copied for your blog, is fake. He hasn't released it.
As I said, I don't necessarily believe that he was or wasn't born in Hawaii. Using someone's word though, instead of actually seeing the birth certificate is silly at best. If I went around town telling everyone that you're gay, if you're not gay, but I'm saying it, and I say that I've seen you with another man, does that make me credible? Of course not. Same thing with Fukimo or whatever his name is. Maybe he has seen it, but his word is not sufficient proof.
Regarding his citizenship, I lean more to what happened later. He left the U.S. when his mother married Soreto and moved to Indonesia. To be enrolled in school, his mother had to relinquish his citizenship in the US and make him a citizen of Indonesia. When he returned there is no record that he got his citizenship back. In fact, his mom didn't come with him so he couldn't get his citizenship back because he was still a minor. In addition, there is some SPECULATION that he enrolled in school as a foriegn student. I'm more interested in that proof (or disproof) than anything else.
You could be right. He may be re-elected in 2012. I doubt it, but it's possible. The Republicans will take control of the House and they may take control of the Senate as well. That is the one thing that could get Obama re-elected. Although, I think he's in serious trouble with the Sestak/Romanov scandal and if his excessive spending and lies and going against the American people's desires isn't enough to get him out, those scandals might do it.
People don't believe words any longer. They want to see physical proof. So a bunch of socialist Democrats in Hawaii saying they've "seen" it means nothing to the AMerican people. It may mean something to those that are willing to believe anything he says just because he has a (D) after his name, but it's not enough for the majority of the American people.
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You must have missed the link from the LA Times and Factcheck. As for me being a source, the only thing I can say is you, nor anyone else, has ever debunked anything I have written in almost 1,300 posts.
“Factcheck is also not reliable?” Unbelievable. Then please tell me, anonymous, is there anything you will accept as a source? Second, once again, anonymous, there is no such thing as a “socialist” Democrat in this country, and that, as you know, is just a false, Fascist Republican talking point. Again, I’m not going to allow your constant lies to go unchecked, anonymous.
It’s undisputed, at least by sane people, that Barrack Obama was born in Hawaii. Like it was just stated by TellerIP, - and you can read the links he/she provided- The Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is the only birth certificate that Hawaii issues. And, Hawaii no longer sends out copies of the original birth certificate. So that is obviously the only birth certificate that he can post. Yes, his family had the original once, but like many people they lost it, so in 2007 Obama asked for a copy, and Hawaii sent him the Certification.
But the Certification of live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department. And Hawaii does not, and did not in 1961, allow a birth document of any kind to be issued that says on it "born in Hawaii' unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii. Obama's birth certificate says on it 'born in Hawaii' and that fact has been repeatedly confirmed by the officials of the Department of Health of Hawaii and by the governor of Hawaii.
So, you expect him to bring it to your door?
Like I said in another post, which is actually linked here when you brought up Obama attending school in Indonesia. A child cannot give up their citizenship. That can only happen when that child is an adult, and their parents cannot do it for them.
You keep living in your fantasy world, anonymous. Like I have said many, many times: the party in the White House always loses seats in the mid-term election, but the people will retain control of the House and Senate.
There is no “Sestak/Romanov scandal.” The Republican noise machine is spinning out of control in an effort to make that lie a scandal, but in the end, that’s exactly what it is, a lie.
Once again, anonymous, there is no such thing as a “socialist” Democrat in this country, and that, as you know, is just a false, Fascist Republican talking point. Again, I’m not going to allow your constant lies to go unchecked, anonymous.
“It means nothing to the AMerican (sic) people?” The only people not accepting the fact that the President was born in Hawaii, is a few crazy birthers like you. As for your ridiculous claim that “It may mean something to those that are willing to believe anything he says just because he has a (D) after his name, but it's not enough for the majority of the American people,” The majority of the American people know where the President was born, and the law in Hawaii that the state government can ignore repetitive requests for his birth certificate was signed into law by Gov. Linda Lingle, that’s Republican Gov. Linda Lingle.
Plus, they have "physical proof."
Re: "To be enrolled in school, his mother had to relinquish his citizenship in the US and make him a citizen of Indonesia..."
Who told you this. Call up the Indonesian Embassy in Washington and they will tell you it is not true. Moreover, they will tell you that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia. ((202) 775-5200. Ask for the press officer.)
Moreover, you should know that the Supreme Court has ruled that parents cannot give up the US citizenship of their children. Only an adult can renounce US citizenship and only in writing filed with a US official, and in this case there is no such filing, of course.
Re: FactCheck. Obama also posted it with Politifact. The Wall Street Journal commented: "In truth, Obama has proved that he is a native of Hawaii, and this proof would hold up in any legal or administrative proceeding."
And it concluded: "Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn."
Also, there is a witness who recalls being told of Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961 and writing home to her father, named Stanley, about the unusual event of a child being born that day to a woman named Stanley (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2170432/posts)
Re: "Maybe he has seen it, but his word is not sufficient proof. "
Actually, that is how birth certificates work these days. There is a document in an official file, a clerk looks at it and fills in a computer form, then the birth certificate (which in Hawaii is called Certification of Live Birth) is printed out on a laser printer and sent to the person. That is what happened to Obama in 2007.
However, in Obama's case not only the clerk looked into the file, but the directors of the departments of health and of vital records. Both looked into the file and saw the original birth certificate, and as they repeatedly said, it showed that Obama was born in Hawaii. Then the governor of Hawaii confirmed it too, and so did the witness already cited, and the Kenyan grandmother also said that Obama was born in Hawaii, and Obama's mother did not have a passport in 1961.
"Birtherism" is just a way for Conservatives Bigots can say 'I Hate N*ggers'.
But, the classic is that the Head all time Birther is....
A Soviet, The Girl From Georgia...
The Party of Ronald Reagan has embraced a Child of the Evil Empire. The Right has gone insane.
If there's one thing I learned dealing with right wingers they won't accept any sources that isn't from that pool of right wing media. For a year I was dealing with this right winger talking about the Iraq war and George W. Bush he didn't accept any American press and when I went to sources like the BBC,The Guardian, CBC News or any media outside the United States he still didn't accept them. Because liberals all over the world hated George W.Bush and the opposed the war.
The kicker and what made the whole debate funny with this guy is that he wanted me to accept his sources: Newsmax,Free Republic, Fox News, National Review and the Drudge Report. And when I told him all those sources have a conservative slant and I went on to ask if you can't accepted a third party source like CBC News why in the hell should I go along with news sources that have a clear favorably slant for George W. Bush?
He told me "See you LIEburls can't handle the truth" so to wrap up this long story Guru you could get the doctor that deliver Barack Obama all those years ago in Hawaii Not and his ilk still wouldn't believe it.
I agree with the comment above this whole birther, commie socialist thing is just another way for the tea party crowd to say I hate that N-word president.
Wow, the socialist Democrats are out in full force today. Interesting that each one of them gets what was said all wrong.
First of all, I said that I don't necessarily believe in the 'Obama wasn't born in the U.S.' theory. Yet, all these socialist Democrats still feel the need to reinforce their opinion that he was born in the U.S.
Second, I said that "I lean" more towards his giving up his citizenship to attend school in Indonesia. Notice, I said that I lean that way. I didn't say that I'd jumped into full belief. Questions have not been answered for me satisfactorily. They likely won't be barring some unforeseen revelation until the next presidential election when Barry Soeto will have to prove it to Arizona or not be on their ballot.
One complains that I won't accept the LA Times nor factcheck as reliable sources. This coming from a guy that wouldn't accept a source of Congress.org that I provided a day or two ago claiming that it was written by someone who's written for World Net Daily. If you're going to bitch that I won't accept your sources from major publications or internet sites, then you have no choice but to whine that I won't accept your socialist Democrat sources.
Apparently, we now have another socialist Democrat that jumps in by referring to the President with a derogatory racist term and the first, and only one to do it here jumps in using the same term. So far, Socialist Democrats that use the racist language are two and the Republicans using that language here are zero. I'd normally say it makes one wonder where the racists really reside, whether it's the Right or the Left, but I don't have to wonder. The socialist Democrats prove it's them each and every time here.
Finally, someone else uses another source. Turns out the source is a blogger who is adamantly and unapologetically a Socialist Democrat.
I know this is tough for you socialist Democrats to understand, but if you try really hard (or ask someone to help you understand) maybe you'll learn that opinions are not sources for facts. They are opinions.
Someone telling you that Bill tripped over his own feet is not a fact, therefore not a reliable source. However, someone showing you a picture of Bill tripping over bag laying on the sidewalk is a much more reliable source and the fact is reliable. The doubt only comes in if you think it's an important enough topic to photo shop the picture.
Don't worry Guru. I don't expect you to understand that example.
Kevin Shopshire said: "...there is no such thing as a 'socialist' Democrat..."
And dontcha know he is right. They are now known as the Neo-communist Democrats. The old Jeffersonian Democratic Party has joined the dinosaurs. They have moved beyond liberal and socialist, referring to themselves by the new code word "Progressive" along with their secret handshakes and pass phrases to identify their fellow travelers.
Isn't nice that Not and one of his other screen name are having a discussion.
Re: "I said that "I lean" more towards his giving up his citizenship to attend school in Indonesia. Notice, I said that I lean that way."
Since you can find out for sure that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia by simply calling the Indonesian Embassy, which will tell you as it told me that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia, it is irrational to "lean."
You should also know that parents cannot give up the citizenship of a US child. It is not allowed.
You also should know that a US citizen can only renounce citizenship in writing filed with a US official. A US official would not accept the written document of a child, and it a US official did accept it, it would still exist in the files and have been found.
So, he did not abandon his US citizenship, and the Indonesian government says that he was never an Indonesian citizen.
Here is how the Wall Street Journal put the Indonesian theory;
"What are we to conclude about someone who refuses to accept an official state birth certificate as proof of birth but expects us to accept utterly preposterous theories with no documentary evidence whatever?'
Irrational.
Re: "Barry Soeto will have to prove it to Arizona or not be on their ballot. "
Since the bill calls for the birth certificate and Obama has the official birth certificate of Hawaii, whose facts have been confirmed twice by the officials of Hawaii, this is not a problem. The Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate.
Jonny C said: "Isn't nice that Not and one of his other screen name are having a discussion."
I am shocked, just shocked... and all along, I thought that Commie Guru and Not Anonymouse were two different bloggers. I must say that if this is true, then Senator Basham better start vetting his staff a bit better. Kevin as an undercover conservative? Pshaw... you will never convince me of that. Else why saddle himself as the commie guru?
I've been called alot of things, especially on this site, and they don't bother me in the least. But for anyone to think that Guru and I are one and the same? That's more than anyone can handle.
Come on Not that's lame creating a another screen name like Jrf or whatever the hell it's called is weak even for right wingers standards.
To Not Anonymous: It can not be us that he is writing about because this is the first time I have addressed you directly and we have not held any discussions as of yet.
Jr.,
Little Johnny must be talking about us and he has to claim that you and I are the same person because he and Guru are the same person.
Now, about that family reunion...
LOL
Holy shit Not you caught me not only I run Conservative media, I also run the motor city liberal blog and also run have two facebook pages with different names,pictures,different dates of birth, my martial status different have different friends to throw off the thinking challenge right.
I can prove who I am but can you two can?
Little Johnny,
Yes, I can prove who I am. But you know, I don't have to prove who I am. It's dangerous to give your name on this website if you disagree with the one that controls this website.
He's already proven that if you disagree with him, you can have your name and address put out there for anyone and everyone to see. I have children. With sick people like Guru out there willing to give out personal information just because he disagrees with someone, I choose not to give my real name here.
So if you want to think I'm Jr, or Teller or Robyn or anyone else, you're more than welcome to think that. I don't give a rip what you or any other socialist Democrats think of me. But, I will not put my children at risk and I will not allow some moron to put my children at risk as he's done to others in the past.
I don't care who you are and I don't care who Guru is. It's telling that it bothers you so much who I really am. I have more fun with the stupid and illogical things that you, guru and the rest of the socialist Democrats say.
I believe that there will be between 60 and 80 seats gained in the House this fall and I believe that there will be between 8 and 12 Senate seats go Republican in the fall. If I'm wrong, what have I lost? We're already in the minority. But if I'm even half right it will be a complete repudiation of the head socialist in the White House.
If I'm wrong, Head Socialist Obama gets away with his crimes and his incompetence. If I'm right, you could be looking at the biggest firestorm since Watergate with the czars being made to look like even bigger fools. You'll be looking at the fall of Rahm Emmanuel and Jim Medina or whatever his name is. You could even be looking at impeachment of the head socialist for the coverup of the attempt to buy off Senate primary challenges.
So while Guru plays his word games, such as calling Sestak "senator elect", Sestak doesn't get that title until he beats Pat Toomey, and that's not likely to happen. I just sit back and watch Guru's pettiness in using such terms prematurely.
I get to sit back and see the truth develop such as the Democrats abandoning their candidate, Meeks in Florida and turn to aiding Crist since he's gone independent (which is actually socialist Democrat in his case).
My one wish is to figure out how to get Obama to come to Michigan and campaign for the socialist Democrats running here. Because we know that when the head Socialist Obama shows up to help someone, it's the kiss of death for their election. Examples: Virginia, New Jersey, Massachussets, Pennsylvania. Socialist Democrats are running from the head socialist Democrat as though he had a communicable disease.
That makes watching you and Guru wasting your time complaining about not knowing my given name even more fun.
Well said, Not Anonymous. As for me, Kevin (aka Commie Guru) knows me as he has visited my blog to comment on topics such as the Obama "Two handed crotch salute". He even made the comments from one of the Merit network legislative net computers in Lansing, probably from Senator Basham's office.
Little Jonny C could very well be a Shopshire sockpuppet because his replies become incoherent when agitated eg: "Holy shit Not you caught me not only I run...I am but can you two can?" etc. Quite similar to Commie Guru under strain.
I am an independent Conservative supporter of the tea party movement (not the faux Tea Party that Soros, Stryker, and other rich neo-communists are trying to get on the ballot).
Funny. When debunked lies, like the “Two handed crotch salute" don’t work, we get the cowardly, false personal attacks. That speaks volumes.
Jr., That's funny. I caught what Little Johnny said about "I am but can you two can?" I was tempted to ask if you needed two to do the can can, but I let it go thinking he wouldn't know what I was talking about.
I had never heard of the two handed crotch salute when you said it earlier. So I looked it up. I remember other comments about that pictures, but that was the first time I'd heard it called the two handed crotch salute. Very clever. I had one where he and his wife actually put the wrong hand over the wrong side of their chest instead of over their heart.
So what is your blog site? I'd like to check it out.
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