Sep 3, 2008

Palin’s association with a group that hates America is ignored

In what has to be the ultimate double standard, the Republican VP candidate may have been a member of a group that hates America so much it wants to break away from the U.S. Yet, there is no outrage from the Republicans.

Democratic Presidential candidate Sen. Barrack Obama was practically crucified by right-wingers for not wearing a flap pin, putting his hand over his heart during the pledge and called unpatriotic and un-American. Where is the outrage over Palin’s disgusting un-American activity?

Palin may have once been a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. The AIP say they want Alaskans to get an opportunity to vote on whether or not they will remain a state, or become a commonwealth, or split off as an independent nation.

According to ABC News, Officials of the AIP said Gov. Palin was once a member, but the McCain campaign -- providing what it says is complete voter registration documentation -- says Palin has been according to official records a lifelong Republican.

Palin's husband Todd was a member of the AIP from October 1995 through July 2002, except for a few months in 2000. He is currently undeclared.

The AIP was founded by Joe Vogler in the 1970s. He has been quoted as saying, “I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

Those quotes would make Timothy McVeigh proud.

And Obama is hammered for merely sitting on a board with William Ayers. Could you imagine if Obama had even passed a guy like Vogler in the street? The faux outrage from the right would be deafening.

She is on Youtube welcoming the party to the bustling metropolis of Wasilla where they held their convention. It’s nice to see the conservative media doing its jobs and digging into Palin’s past like it did Obama’s.

30 comments:

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

I'm curious. Would a church with 5000 members want a preacher that had only 2 years experience at a church with 150 members?

Brett said...

You're two days late with this information. It's been debunked completely. Nice try though.

Brett

Anonymous said...

Where has this been debunked? I can't find it.

Rick

Communications guru said...

Really? Any proof of that? Of course not.

Brett said...

From your own liberal NYTimes who had to print a retraction:



A Palin Joined Alaskan Third Party, Just Not Sarah Palin

By KATE ZERNIKE
Published: September 3, 2008
In the mid-1990s, the Alaskan Independence Party was experiencing a boom of sorts. A governor had been elected on its ticket in 1990, when the party was not even a decade old. And membership was swelling.



Among the new recruits was Todd Palin, whose wife, Sarah, would later become governor of Alaska. The Palins attended the party’s convention in their hometown, Wasilla, in 1994, according to party officials, where the party called for a revote on statehood and a draft constitution for an independent Republic of Alaska. Mr. Palin joined the party.

Ms. Palin remained a Republican and never joined the Alaskan Independence Party, but returned to its convention in 2006 to speak as candidate for governor. After she had been elected, she recorded a video greeting that was played at the party convention this year. “Good luck on a successful and inspiring convention,” she said. “Keep up the good work, and God bless you.”

Now that she is the Republican nominee for vice president — for a campaign whose motto is “Country first” — the couple’s interaction with the Alaskan Independence Party has gotten attention because of its reputation as a secessionist group.

Alaskan Independence Party officials released a statement Monday saying that Ms. Palin had been a member for two years, from 1994 to 1996, information included in reports in The New York Times and other news outlets. In Internet videos of recent party meetings, other party officials can be seen boasting of Ms. Palin’s past membership.

On Tuesday, though, the party’s chairwoman, Lynette Clark, said the earlier statement was false. Ms. Clark said that she had based it on information another party member had given her, but that a review of the records showed only that Ms. Palin had attended the 1994 conference.

Ms. Clark added that while the review confirmed Todd Palin as a member, it did not indicate that Ms. Palin had been one.

On Wednesday, Ms. Clark released a corrected statement, saying, in part, “I, foolishly, repeated and accepted as fact what an officer of this membership shared with myself, and husband Dexter Clark, over a year ago.”

“I humbly apologize to Governor Palin, and to both national and local press and media,” she added.

Ms. Palin has been registered as a Republican since May 1982, according to the State Division of Elections. Mr. Palin registered as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party in 1995, remaining a member for all but two months of the next seven years, until he registered as an undeclared voter in July 2002.

The McCain campaign has described the Palins as “proud Americans” and called reports of her membership in the independence party “a smear.”

The Alaskan Independence Party’s Web site, akip.org, which includes the motto “Alaska First — Alaska Always” in its banner, describes party members as seeking “a range of solutions to the conflicts between federal and local authority,” including “advocacy for state’s rights, through a return to territorial status, all the way to complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska.” It calls for repatriation of lands held by the federal government “to the state and people of Alaska,” as well as, among other issues, the right to home-school children and the privatization of government services.

Ms. Clark objected to descriptions of her party as secessionist, saying it advocates “states’ rights” and “state sovereignty.”

Ms. Clark said she interpreted Ms. Palin’s attendance at the 1994 convention as reflecting an interest in hearing a variety of perspectives. “Her heart is very Alaskan,” she said, “and we have Alaskan issues.”

Jean Craciun, a political consultant in Alaska, said it would not be hard to believe that Ms. Palin had been a member of the independence party, because polls show that people in Alaska often confuse the party with “independent minded.”

Ms. Palin’s political philosophy is also often compared to that of Walter J. Hickel, the former Alaska governor and interior secretary in the Nixon administration who was re-elected governor on the Alaskan Independence Party ticket in 1990. Mr. Hickel, a big backer of Ms. Palin, re-registered as a Republican in 1994.

In her recorded address to the party’s convention this year, Ms. Palin said: “I share your party’s vision of upholding the constitution of our great state. My administration remains focused on reining in government growth so individual liberty and opportunity can expand. I know you agree with that.”

Communications guru said...

This is a change: an actual reference to one of your wild accusations. Too bad you're incorrect. First, the New York Times, owned by the New York Times Company, is not liberal.

Second, I stand by what I wrote. Her husband was a member of the secessionist, anti-American group, she attended their convention in 1994 and she gave a welcome address in 2006 and 2008. Those are pretty close ties and strong evidence. You continue to trot out Sen. Obama's trumped up connection to Bill Ayers on a whole lot less.

Tell you what, just for you I'll change my original post, and I will say she was a possible member. How's that?

Brett said...

You're going to change what you wrote and you're negotiating to a lesser lie rather than the original lie?

Are you really Kwame Kilpatrick in disguise?

Brett

Communications guru said...

Wait a minute. I was all set to make the change I promised, but when I reread the lead, I discovered I already had. It says, "In what has to be the ultimate double standard, the Republican VP candidate may have been a member…"

Note the words "may have been." I stand by my original post.

Communications guru said...

Am I "Kwame Kilpatrick in disguise?" That makes no sense. I stand by the truth. Perhaps if you drop the stupid Bill Ayers lie, I'll drop this. I can just imagine if Obama had ties to a group like this: you would be foaming at the mouth.

Brett said...

Keep up with your lies. Here's your quote from what you wrote:
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Palin was once a member of the Alaskan Independence Party.
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That was the first line of your third paragraph.

Now you're compounding lie on top of lie.

Brett

Communications guru said...

Thanks for pointing that out. But the likes of you calling me a liar is like Rudy Gullani trying to take the moral high ground. It's simply not true, and I do not lie.

This is correct now:

"Palin may have once been a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. The AIP say they want Alaskans to get an opportunity to vote on whether or not they will remain a state, or become a commonwealth, or split off as an independent nation."

Brett said...

Barack Hussein Obama does have ties that are much worse. Jeremiah Wright ran a church where he preached hate America and hate white people. Obama attended for 20 years. When it was discovered his answer was "that's not the Jeremiah Wright I knew."

Father Fleglar who preached hatred of whites and America. When discovered Obama said "that's not the Father Fleglar that I knew."

Bill Ayers, an admitted terrorist that bombed the Pentagon and says that he's sorry he didn't do more. He's a friend of Obama's, a contributor of Obama's and served on a board that Obama was the Chairman of, but Obama can't remember serving on that board.

But I'm not foaming at the mouth. I'm wishing that some weren't so blinded by their hatred of Bush and their myopic desire for a Democrat, any Democrat to be elected.

Brett

Brett said...

Gee, I forgot to mention his ties to Rezko. When indicted, Obama said "that's not the Rezko that I knew."

Brett said...

When you can't stand up to what you wrote, you EDIT it and your EDIT now says that she "May" have been....

This is still a LIE, as I have proven.

Brett
conservativelifestyle.blogspot.com

Brett said...

With all of the "EDITS", it should probably be pasted as to what your original piece was before you started changing your lies:

Palin’s association with a group that hates America is ignored
In what has to be the ultimate double standard, the Republican VP candidate may have been a member of a group that hates America so much it wants to break away from the U.S. Yet, there is no outrage from the Republicans.

Democratic Presidential candidate Sen. Barrack Obama was practically crucified by right-wingers for not wearing a flap pin, putting his hand over his heart during the pledge and called unpatriotic and un-American. Where is the outrage over Palin’s disgusting un-American activity?

Palin was once a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. The AIP say they want Alaskans to get an opportunity to vote on whether or not they will remain a state, or become a commonwealth, or split off as an independent nation.

According to ABC News, Officials of the AIP said Gov. Palin was once a member, but the McCain campaign -- providing what it says is complete voter registration documentation -- says Palin has been according to official records a lifelong Republican.

Palin's husband Todd was a member of the AIP from October 1995 through July 2002, except for a few months in 2000. He is currently undeclared.

The AIP was founded by Joe Vogler in the 1970s. He has been quoted as saying, “I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

Those quotes would make Timothy McVeigh proud.

And Obama is hammered for merely sitting on a board with William Ayers. Could you imagine if Obama had even passed a guy like Vogler in the street? The faux outrage from the right would be deafening.

She is on Youtube welcoming the party to the bustling metropolis of Wasilla where they held their convention. It’s nice to see the conservative media doing its jobs and digging into Palin’s past like it did Obama’s.
Labels: Alaskan Independence Party, Barack Obama, Joe Vogler, presidential election 2008, Sarah Palin

Communications guru said...

You can't be serious? Obama's associations are no where near as bad to an anti-American group that does not want to be part of the U.S.

Rev. Wright, a former Marine, has the same position on the 9/11 attacks as Pat Buchanan. I don't hear you calling him un-American. As for the lie he hates white people, there are plenty of white church members.

As for Father Michael Flegler, the only crime I seem to recall he committed was an inappropriate attack on Hillary Clinton. You hate Hillary Clinton. After all the disgusting personal attacks Palin launched last night, it seems ironic that that stuff seems to bother you.

Bill Ayers, a respected, law-abiding college professor, did no more than serve on a board that Obama also happened to serve on.

No, you are not foaming at the mouth yet, but if Obama had such close ties with an anti-American group like the Alaskan Independence Party you would be.

I would think after the way Bush wrecked the economy and the military, tarnished the country's prestige and honor in the world and killed so many innocent people no one would like care much for him. The only person who is blind is you.

Communications guru said...

already debunked your rezko lie a long time ago. Look it up.

Communications guru said...

I stand by what I wrote, Palin may have been a member of the anti-American group: that's true. You didn't prove or disprove anything.

Communications guru said...

No problem reposting it. There were no lies in the original, and there are no lies in the edited version. Palin may have been a member of the anti-American group, and I believe she was. But you cannot deny her support for the party and her close ties to it.

Kathy said...

The fact that Palin is even associated with this group should be questioned, and I thought Al Kilgore did a good job of putting it in the proper perspective.

Whether or not Sarah Palin was ever a member of AKIP, her easy acceptance of this fringe group is significant. In the odd, neo-colonial poltical culture of Alaska, AKIP is not that far out of the mainstream. But make no mistake: in the politics of the South 48, and particularly Republican politics, the AIP is, well, anti-American. Whatever she represented in Alaska, she is now the putative vice presidential candidate of a super-patriotic GOP and the handpicked running-mate of a presidential candidate whose message is "country first." "Alaska First" or "Canada First" are not acceptable points of view for John McCain's GOP, no matter how happy conservative activists may be about Palin's reactionary views on cultural issues.

Also of concern is a statement AIP's vice chairman, Dexter Carter, made:

Mr. Carter says that AIP members must "infiltrate" -- his words -- the other two parties and push for the cause of Alaskan independence.

Innocent association or subversive motives? Keep questioning, Guru, keep questioning.

Communications guru said...

Thank you for your great contribution, Kathy. Great points. Can you imagine if this group was associated with Sen. Obama?

Brett said...

INteresting. It's been proven that she was not part of the group, yet you say she MAY have been despite the retraction printed by the liberal NY Times.

With a donkey, to get it to move, they used to put a rope on it's nose and twist. You'd swear it's head was going to twist off, but it wouldn't budge.

You represent your party well. Too bad the liberals don't care as much for the country.

Brett

Communications guru said...

It has not been disproved she was part of the anti-American group. Again, the NYT is not liberal. Second, what retraction are you talking about? If you are referring to the article you posted, that's not a retraction.

She marinated her status as a Republican. What does that prove? She still supporter this anti-American party. Are you denying she supported them? The Alaskan Independence Party has ballot statue in Alaska and runs candidates. Who knows who she votes for when she goes into the voting booth.

Again, it has been liberals that have made this country great. I will still guarantee you have a relative or friend who has a better life because of a liberal program. I care for my country as much as you or more. I do more than play it lip service.

Brett said...

Mayor: 'I lied under oath'
He'll resign, serve 120 days in jail, repay $1M, surrender law license
BY M.L. ELRICK, JIM SCHAEFER, JOE SWICKARD and BEN SCHMITT • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • September 4, 2008

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Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick has pleaded guilty, ending a nearly eight month drama that has transfixed the region, paralyzed much of city business and halted a political career that once held such promise.


The deal calls for Kilpatrick to plead guilty to two felony counts of obstruction of justice by committing perjury, agreeing to serve four months in jail, pay up to $1 million in restitution, and serve five years' probation. He also agreed not to run for office during that five-year span.

The mayor will turn over his state pension to the City of Detroit, which paid $8.4 million to settle two whistle-blower lawsuits three former cops filed against the city. The mayor was charged with eight felony counts ranging from conspiracy to perjury to misconduct in office to obstruction of justice after the Free Press revealed that the mayor lied on the witness stand during a police whistle-blower trial and gave misleading testimony about whether he intended to fire a deputy police chief investigating allegations of wrongdoing by members of his inner circle.

In a rushed monotone, Kilpatrick told the court: "I lied under oath in the case of Gary Brown and Harold Nelthrope versus the city of Detroit ... I did so with the intent to mislead the court and jury, to impede and obstruct the disposition of justice."

Groner asked Kilpatrick: "Are you satisfied with your lawyers in this case?"
The mayor replied: "Uh, what do you mean?"


After Groner explained, Kilpatrick said he was satisfied with the performance of his legal team.


Groner: "The court's satisfied and will accept the plea to two counts of obstruction of justice."


Sentencing will be Oct. 28 at 2 p.m. in his courtroom. He did not explain why so much time will pass between the mayor's plea and sentencing.

Moments after Groner praised the lawyers for their work reaching a deal, Kilpatrick summoned his wife, kissed her, and went back into a side room.

“Justice has finally been served,” University of Detroit Mercy law professor Larry Dubin said this morning.


“The deal that the mayor agreed to...is a major victory for the prosecutor, the mayor and the people of the city of Detroit and state of Michigan."


Dubin, who has been outspoken in his criticism of the mayor praised Worthy “for the way she prosecuted this case. She has demonstrated integrity in holding a public official accountable for serious criminal violations that constituted serious breaches of the public trust.”


Just before huddling with his attorney, a smiling Kilpatrick jousted with reporters sitting in the first row of the courtroom. He, apparently good-naturedly, told them their reports were wrong and they needed to check their sources. He did not elaborate.


He also shook hands with Christine Beatty, his former chief of staff and ex-lover. Beatty has left the courtroom with her attorneys, Mayer and Jeff Morganroth, and a man believed to be her pastor.


First lady Carlita Kilpatrick is in the courtroom. This is the first time she's been in a courtroom with Beatty since the scandal started in January.


The mayor has some other familiar faces in the courtroom, including Marc Andre Cunningham, a former aide to Kilpatrick resigned shortly after the Free Press reported that he had been using a city-issued cell phone that was tapped by the FBI last year. Cunningham, who acted as the mayor's valet before becoming his liaison to the film industry, has said he did not believe he was using the cell phone at the time it was tapped and he said his resignation had nothing to do with the Free Press report.


Prosecutor Douglas Baker of the Michigan Attorney General's office and Mayer Morganroth, attorney for Beatty, are in Groner's courtroom. Wayne County prosecutors have also entered the courtroom. Kilpatrick's lawyers entered with a member of the mayor's police protection team.


Earlier, Wayne County Assistant Prosecutor Robert Moran and two defense lawyers for Kilpatrick left Cadillac Place where they met for about 45 minutes with Gov. Jennifer Granholm.

In January, the newspaper published text messages Kilpatrick and his then-chief of staff Christine Beatty exchanged on city issued pagers. Worthy cited the investigation in March, when he charged Kilpatrick with eight felonies and Beatty with seven.

Earlier this week, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy had offered the mayor six months in jail. That apparently was lowered to four months by Wednesday night.

At one point Wednesday afternoon, Kilpatrick met with his department directors and staff at a regular meeting. The subject of his criminal cases was raised, said a source who spoke on condition of anonymity because it was a private meeting. The subject of the mayor's leaving office came up, but Kilpatrick did not commit one way or the other and urged his top staff to remain focused, this source said.

The mayor's plea likely means Gov. Jennifer Granholm will cancel a second day of removal hearings for the mayor. The historic proceedings began Wednesday at Cadillac Place, the state office building located in the New Center, about 10 minutes from the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice where Kilpatrick entered his equally historic guilty plea.

Earlier this morning, Kilpatrick attorney Gerald Evelyn and prosecutor Rob Moran were seen leaving Cadillac Place. They declined to speak with reporters.

Kilpatrick's former chief of staff and ex-lover Christine Beatty, who also is charged with felonies in the scandal, was not included in any plea discussions, her lawyer said Wednesday.

"We were not part of any meeting," Mayer Morganroth said late Wednesday afternoon. "We plan to be in court in the morning and we'll see what happens then."

Kilpatrick is also facing two felony charges for allegedly assaulting deputies trying to serve a subpoena last month at the home of his sister, Ayanna. Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox's office is handling that case.

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

Once again, thread-jacker brett shows up...CG...You're right, if Obama or Michelle had ties to an extremist group like Palin, the right would be unable to find enough pearls to clutch or couches to faint on.

Communications guru said...

Thanks for the news, but I am already aware of it. I am happy that nightmare is over.

Brett said...

I know. It's not big news. Another Democrat going to jail for minimum time, rather than 15 years which he's entitled to. He also has to pay back $1 million in restitution leaving the City of Detroit still $7.4 million short from what Kilpatrick cost them. But that's okay, Detroit is a successful city and can afford it. Their population has been growing since Kilpatrick took over...oh wait, I'm mistaken.

The schools have been graduating at a ....oh wait, a 39% clip isn't good.

Gee, it looks like the Democrats have set back a city in decline even further.

Thank God it didn't affect Michigan...oh wait, Michigan's biggest city is.....Detroit.

Oh man, they're screwed.

Brett

Communications guru said...

I never said it was not big news, I said I was already aware of it. "Another Democrat going to jail for minimum time?" First, Democrats have a long way to go before we match your party. Blue collar criminals like the Enron crooks that destroyed people's lives get nothing. How often do first time offenders get jail time? I think he got what he deserved.

It's funny, I have been arguing with rightwing tools who visit this blog on how important Detroit is to the state, and now you admit it. Weird.

Anonymous said...

Check out this website and YouTube video that shows the Vice Chairman of the AIP, Dexter Clark, talking about Sarah Palin. The most relevant part is about 6 minutes in:

“Our current governor, we mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected. There’s a joke, she’s a pretty good looking gal, there’s a joke goes around we’re the coldest state with the hottest governor. (laughter) And there was a lot of talk about her moving up. She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town — that was a non-partisan job. But to get along and go along — she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80% approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership.“

The blogger who posted this information summed it up best:

Suppose, if you will, a video surfaced of a local Islamic mullah talking in a mosque about how Barack Obama, in order to get elected, had infiltrated a Christian church, and was planning to take over the country with an Islamic agenda. How would that play in Peoria?

The MSM would be dominating the airwaves with the story if it were Obama, yet they're giving McCain/Palin a pass.

Communications guru said...

Good post. Now, the AIP is denying she was ever a member. That video proves that is a lie. But even if she was not a member, it’s clear she has a close association and supports it. They are smearing Obama for simply sitting on a board with somebody.