Sep 4, 2008

Palin heaps on disgusting personal attacks that lack substance or truth


As the dust settles after the Grand Oil Party's long disgusting rant last night at the Republican National Convention, the facts are beginning to revel their stretching of the truth and outright lies.

Sarah Palin should be renamed Spiro Agnew for her attacks on the corporate media. When you do not have the issues on your side, you attack the media; and doing it for doing their job. Like Grampy McSame's campaign manager says, this election is not about the issues. Again, when you don't have the issues on your side, you attack.

I was shocked, although I should not have been, at the personal attacks and belittling of the Sens. Barack Obama and Joe Biden. I was also shocked at the way Palin demeaned Community Organizers. They work to help the poor, improve substandard housing and even advocate for the education of special needs children.

Calling her mean spirited seems charitable. I cannot wait for the debate between Palin and Biden. She's very good at reading a speech someone else wrote; after all, that was her brief career in TV "news." I was initially worried that after Biden kicked her butt in the debate, he would be accused of being a bully, but after her disgusting personal attacks last night, that goes out the window and the gloves should be off.

Rudy Giuliani's stand up routine was even more disgusting to watch. The ethically challenged mayor did not spare the lies. His maniacal laugh was also rather disturbing. Man, this guy's ego must be huge. The good news was we only heard the words 9/11 once from him.

The Associated Press has done a little fact checking, and maybe the conservative, corporate media is trying to make up for the poor job they did leading up to the unnecessary Iraq invasion.

Palins's claim that she did away with wasteful spending and championed to end the abuses of earmarks flies in the face of the fact she hired a lobbyist to go after earmarks when she was the mayor of a small Alaska town.

She also falsely claimed Sen. Barack Obama authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform in the Senate, ignoring, of course, his record. She also completely misrepresented his tax policy.

One the most insulting and obvious lies was from former GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, claming Palin got "more votes running for mayor of the small town she served than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries. I guess he describes to the GOP strategy if you're going to tell a lie, you might as well tell a big one.

The base may have enjoyed the disgusting performance, but I don't think the rest of Americans will appreciate it.

75 comments:

Brett said...

He didn’t actually write the law, as reported by author David Freddoso:

“[Obama] was not the one to propose the ethics bill in the Illinois senate. He was not even a cosponsor until the day it passed. Five months after the ethics bill was introduced, and more than one month after it reached the senate, Obama was invited by Emil Jones to become its chief Democratic cosponsor. As David Mendell writes in Obama: From Promise to Power, former Rep. Abner Mikva convinced Jones to let Obama handle the legislation. Sen. Dick Klemm (D.) was removed as chief cosponsor and replaced by Obama on May 22, 1998 — the very day the bill passed.”

Brett said...

Let's see. Barack Hussein Obama demeans Sarah Palin for being Mayor of small town, but you don't call that demeaning. You instead say that Palin is demeaning Obama's "community organizing" when she says that she was sort of a community organizer for a town and then offers to explain what they do in towns as Mayors.

Can Obama produce one person that he helped as a "community organizer"?

Perhaps you're thinking of the job he did as Rezko's lawyer in a housing project. ONe where Rezko didn't pay the heat bills for that building where low income housing tenants were living in the dead of winter.

Or that Rezko stopped making mortgage payments on in 2001. Obama was probably not involved in that with his friend. After all, he's a Presidential candidate for the liberals and that wouldn't look good on his resume'.

I am glad that you got specific on at least one of the items you called a lie. Let's see, Obama's tax policy is to not make the Bush tax cuts permanent. This will increase the income taxes, the capital gains taxes, the taxes on dividends, death taxes. He also wants to increase taxes on businesses. In addition, he wants to add even more tax increases to the list of those increased due to letting the Bush tax cuts expire.

In addition, there is a Global TAx that Obama has proposed, and gotten it passed through committee (coincidentally, Joe Biden's committee).

Obama has proposed over $400 Billion in new programs. His only way to pay for it is through a massive tax increase.

Then there is the additional taxes he wants for Social Security reform and Medicare and Medicaid.

As for your words, a self described professional writer, this is interesting:
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I guess he describes to the GOP strategy if you're going to tell a lie, you might as well tell a big one.
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This sentence makes no sense. I'm sure you meant to say "I guess he SUBSCRIBES to the GOP strategy,...."

Now, naturally, I know that you'll deny all that I've said, but the facts are the facts. You had zero lies told by Palin. You may disagree with her, but she did not lie.

The attempt at trashing Palin continues today in the liberal press. Today's story is a particularly "viscious" one. They are putting her down by saying that her hairdo is 20 years out of date.

The more you guys speak, the more I think that if McCain/Palin don't win 48 states this fall, it will be a disappointment. Don't get upset. I still think you might win Illinois and there is no hope for Taxachussets. They're so liberal that they think they are the left coast.

Brett
conservativelifestyle.blogspot.com

Brett said...

You might want to look up what the term "community organizer" means.

It's not as you described. It's actually a political group to begin ones political career.

They work to get people registered to vote. Haul people to the polls so they can vote.

You really ought to look up things before you start saying what they are. You might learn something.

Brett

Communications guru said...

First, without a reference, I do not believe anything you say. Second: So, no one in Michigan writes their own legislation. The nonpartisan Legislative Service Bureau does. Many lawmakers are not attorneys.

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

Where was brett when Hillary was bashed about? Would his chivalry be as fierce? Or would he, like the conservative media, say she played the "gender card."

What is it about the power hungry, book-banning, secessionist, Alaskan theocrat that trips his and other kool-aid drinking, cheeto eating Republicans' trigger?

Brett said...

This from your own source "factcheck".

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It's untrue that Obama is proposing a 28 percent capital gains tax rate. He said in an interview on CNBC that he favors raising the top rate on capital gains from its present 15 percent to 20 percent or more, but no higher than 28 percent. And as for a 28 percent rate, he added, "my guess would be it would be significantly lower than that." Furthermore, he has said only couples making $250,000 or more (or, his policy advisers tell us, singles making more than $200,000) would pay the higher capital gains rate. That means the large majority of persons who pay capital gains taxes would see no increase at all.
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Interesting, they say it's untrue, then they say his tax increase (which you have denied is even proposed) would increase from 15% to 20% but no higher than 28%". So when people say that he's going to increase the tax rate to 28%, it's called a lie when he himself says "no higher" than 28%. I fail to see where the lie is. Factcheck is playing with words. Gee, didn't I just say a day or two ago that factcheck has a liberal agenda? I think this proves it.

You make this too easy.

Brett

Brett said...

It's interesting that your reasoning for Barack Hussein Obama not writing the bill is because none of the lawmakers do even in Michigan. Yet you completely ignored the line about Senator Klemm being removed from the bill as chief co-sponsor and replaced with Obama on the very day it was passed.

What this tells me is that Obama had aspirations and needed a piece of legislation he could take credit for so he replaced the chief co-sponsor on the day the bill was passed. He had nothing to do with it until the very last minute and that was just to add his name to it as if he had done something on the bill.

This falls in line with his record in the Illinois State Senate. Voting 130 times as Present.

This also falls in line with Giulanni's words from last night. "As President, you can't just vote Present."

Brett

Brett said...

Another comparison showing Palin's ability over that of the so called Messiah, Barack Hussein Obama.

The teleprompter malfunctioned for Palin last night. She continued her speech from her memory and without flaw.

When the same thing happened to Obama, he stammered. He stuttered. He was lost. Obama doesn't have the belief in himself. He's being manipulated by writers. When they're gone, he's lost.

Palin does believe in herself and her cause and didn't miss a beat in her speech.

Did I say a 48 state blowout? I may have to revise that upward.

Brett

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

Sometimes it takes a comedian to call these assholes out on their bullshit.

Communications guru said...

No one is demeaning her for being the mayor of a small town mayor. What we are saying is it does not qualify you to be president. I've have asked you this question at least four times and you continue to duck it: Why isn't Howell Mayor Geri Moen qualified to be president? You don't think she was demeaning his work as a community organizer or community organizers in general? If not, what do you call it? The elitist Obama could have worked for a major corporation and made lots of money, but instead, he worked in the poorest neighborhoods in Chicago.

"Can Obama produce one person that he helped as a "community organizer"? Please, stop playing stupid.

Man, you are pulling out all of the false, debunked talking points. This is such a waste of my time.

This is from factcheck debunking one of Grampy's false TV ads:
"The ad says Chicago power broker Tony Rezko got "political favors" including "$14 million from taxpayers." But there's no evidence of any connection to the Obama home purchase. The $14 million was to build apartments for low-income seniors. Obama wrote a letter supporting the "worthy" project, but both men say Rezko didn't ask for the letter."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/rezko_reality.html
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_obama_have_a_real_estate_problem.html

Obama does want to get rid of Bush's tax cuts for the riches 1 percent; that is true. People making under $250,000 will get a tax break instead of just the richest 1 percent. The rest of the crap you wrote is simply not true.

I already debunked that Global tax lie. Don't you remember? You are again wasting my time. What the Global Poverty Act will do would is require the U.S. President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the United Nations Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day. It does not allocate any funding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_poverty_act

Wow. You're giving me a hard time for a typo? Fine.
Huckabee subscribes to the GOP strategy that if you're going to tell a lie, you might as well tell a big one.
Better?

I'll do a lot more than deny "all that you have said," I disproved it with references. Those are just a few of the lies she told.

Again, the press is not liberal; it's conservative. The job of the press is to do things like fact check speeches. That's what they are doing, their job.

I haven't heard anyone say anything about her hair. Show me some proof of that claim.

Like I aid, when President Obama wins in November, I will give you a phone call to congratulate you because, after all, when that happens, all Americans win, not just the rich corporations.

Communications guru said...

I know what community organizers do, I work with them. You are wrong, again. COs do a lot of things, including advocating and making a community better.

Communications guru said...

It's pretty clear to me, "That means the large majority of persons who pay capital gains taxes would see no increase at all." You claimed he would raise all kinds of taxes, like the lie he would tax the money from a home sale. Don't you remember trying pass off that false email as his tax plan? That is the lie. He will raise taxes on those in the higher income brackets that will pay a little more, like they should. They have gotten the tax breaks under Bush.

Brett said...

It would be wonderful if you knew what you were talking about and didn't play word games. You cannot tax your way out of an economic downturn. You cannot tax your way into economic prosperity.

Thankfully, we don't have to worry about it for at least another four years because McCain/Palin will win and we'll be free of Obama's constant lies, both the whoppers and the little white lies.

Brett

Brett said...

Barack Hussein Obama, comparing his experience to be President to that of the Republican VICE PRESIDENTIAL candidate, demeaned her, along with every liberal that appears on the liberal talking heads shows has demeaned her being Mayor of a small town. He also demeaned small towns with his religion and guns comment.

I don't know that Obama could have gone to work for a large corporation because he never did go to work for a large corporation. Can't prove something that didn't happen.

Obviously you can't produce one person he helped. Oh well.

Thank you for admitting that Obama is going to raise taxes. You've been lying about that for weeks saying he had no plans for tax increases.

The Global tax is true. You have debunked nothing, much as you like to claim you have.

A "typo"? Subscribe to describe. Hmmm, seems that the typo included three letters. I can't really understand how the sub could come out as des, but it's your problem. I just have to decipher.

The talk about her hair is on a website. If you're that interested, you can look it up. It's just one more piddly little complaint that the liberals use because they can't refute her words nor her popularity.

Like I said, I don't allow pedophiles to call me. I have a couple of younger children, so I avoid those that I don't trust from having physical and/or voice contact with my household. So skip the congratulations when McCain wins except on your blog.

Brett

Brett said...

Barack Hussein Obama has finally seen the light and admitted the Surge worked. He says it worked beyond anyone's wildest dreams which is of course wrong. Two men did claim it would work and they have been proven right.

Those two men? General David Petraeus (you may know him better by the moniker given to him by the liberal NY TIMES and the rest of the liberals when they called him General Betray Us).

The second one is the next President of the United States, John Sydney McCain.

Welcome to the party Barack. You're a late comer to the truth, but we're happy to have you with the truthful side for a change.

Brett

Brett said...

Joe Biden says two things in the same day. First he said they will go after Bush Administration Officials for crimes if they win the White House. Later in the day when asked about it, he said he didn't say that. Both events were taped.

Maybe he just spent too much time on the train.

Brett

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

Oh my fucking god. Would you shut the fuck up!

You have NOTHING to say, NOTHING to add to the discourse, just more of your partisan BULLSHIT. You are so blinded by the supposed superiority of the Republican party that you can't let anything else in.

Brett, you and the other 29 percenters are clearly in the minority, yet you speak as if your party has done nothing wrong. Your party and your bumblefuck President pissed away the sympathy and good will of nearly the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD, you stupid piece of shit. Your President "looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul" or some other stupid shit like that and look at where that got us...The Russian Bear is waking up and is following the good ol' US of A's example and invading sovereign nations. Yet, our administration has the fucking gall to shake their finger at them.

Your President FILLED government departments with political hacks, all partisan, most incompetent, and all corrupt, giving truth to the lie that government is inefficient.

Now, it appears McCain & Company are using the same playbook. A colloquial definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting a different result. Running his campaign with volunteer lobbyists, yet bullshitting the public that he wants to curtail their activities. If he lies anymore, his tongue is going to jump out of his mouth and run screaming from the room. Same goes for your secessionist Alaskan wank fantasy.

Don't get me wrong, government can be inefficient, bureaucratic, and obtuse, but putting numb-nuts, partisan, mother fuckers in there without regard to skillset or competency is the epitome of corrupt, stupid, and wrong for the country.

I am so sick of Republicans wrapping themselves in the flag, claiming they are the only people who are patriotic and that Democrats by definition are unpatriotic and hate their country. Criticism of one's country is not unpatriotic, nor does it indicate a hatred of their country.

Tell me something, when you criticize your child, your parents, your friends, does that mean you hate them? Or does it mean you don't like their actions?

Party over country is not going to fix this mess. Obama's not completely right, but he's willing to listen and compromise, for the good of the majority, not the wealthy and powerful few.

I'm also sick and tired of Democrats being labeled with the moniker tax and spend liberals, when that couldn't be further from the truth. Yes, they tax and spend, but not at the rate of the fucking Republicans...who raised the national debt to record levels? Oh, right, that dumbfuck Connecticut Yankee with a fake Texas accent. The last Democratic Administration got our budget under control...Dubya screwed the pooch, now China might as well own the fucking country.

You guys fucked this country up. According to Commander Codpiece, we're an ownership society.

Own your shit motherfucker.

And before you reply with your usual snark "boy, seems I touched a nerve", or something like that, and start to feel all powerful...don't. You're just the latest in a long line of assbags on the right talking out their ass.

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

Cognitive dissonance run amuck.
“He needs to find a way to share his interior self,” Rove explained. Telling the story of his daughter Bridget’s adoption from Bangladesh, Rove asked: “Who knows that? Not enough people."

Communications guru said...

Who ever called Barack Obama a messiah beside you? What he is, is a man that inspires people, and he will restore this country to prosperity and its integrity around the world.

What a fertile imagination. You just make stuff up out of whole cloth, don‘t you? When did Palin’s teleprompter go out? When did Obama’s go out. How about never.

Obama writes his own speeches, and he also writes his own books, unlike Grampy McSame.

You keep believing that 48 state blowout bullshit. President Obama will win. It may not be a blowout, but he will win. When he does, I will give you a call to congratulate you.

Brett said...

One can't inspire with lies and maintain the inspiration. He is fooling the liberals, but it doesn't take much to fool a liberal. Tell them what they want to hear and they'll follow you to the end of the world and jump off with you. They only figure out they've jumped when it's too late.

Read the news. You'll see the story about the teleprompter. It's showing up on US Snooze and World Reports among others.

Obama writes his own speeches???? Sheesh. I'll save some typing and just refer you to my first comments on this post.

I won't have to worry about that phone call. Obama has already lost.

McCain has you beat on National Security, economics, health care, running mate, character, honesty, integrity, patriotism and the list goes on.

I will admit that the liberals do have us beat in one area. You have the conspirators that wanted to kidnap delegates, throw molotav cocktails, other things with chemicals, urine and whatever else they could get into their jars and bottles, at the RNC Convention.

That's a classy bunch you affiliate yourself with. Seems that your precious reporter put herself right in the middle of some of that and was arrested for obstruction.

We're going to find out even more the level of liberal patriotism after McCain/Palin wins. Your liberal buddies will then begin race riots, among other things when the loss is official.

Brett

Communications guru said...

You called me a pedophile? What an ass. You can count on me calling you when President Obama wins. You should count your lucky stars I don’t come to 7411 Connie Lane in Walton Township and kick your sorry ass. What gives you the right to call someone a vile name lie that, and where were you raised that you can call someone that and not expect consequences?

Sen. Obama is qualified to be president, and Palin is no more qualified to be president than Mayor Geri Moen of my hometown of Howell. Make no mistake, Geri is a good mayor, but she is not qualified to be president.

Sen. Obama was a civil rights lawyer at a law firm, and that is where he met his wife. I lent out my copy of Dreams of my Father, so I can’t name a person he helped as an organizer. These people are not exactly household names. That’s the point.

Yes, Obama is going to raise taxes. No one has ever denied that. He will stop giving tax cuts to the rich and give them to the middle class to make this country go. What you need to do is stop lying about his tax plan.

The global tax crap is a one more of your lies.

Your right, it wasn’t a typo. I just don’t understand the difference between describe and subscribe.

Oh, the crack about her hair is on a went site. How about a link?

Communications guru said...

Sen. Obama never said the surge didn’t work. But it was a combination of things that helped reduce the violence. I debunked this with links a while ago, and you just keep putting forth these lies based on nothing. I don’t have time to show you up again. The surge worked because we are now paying the people we once fought, all the ethnic cleansing is about completed and neighborhoods are now segregated and we have the best fighting force in the world.

Again, the New York Tins is not liberal, and they never called him General Betray Us.

Communications guru said...

Any proof about these alleged comments by Joe Biden? Of course not. I sure hope they will go after Bush Administration officials for war crimes.

Communications guru said...

Prove one lie by Sen. Obama. Are you honestly saying Obama does not inspire people? Your hatred makes you blind.

You made the claim about the teleprompter, you prove it’s true. Yes, Obama writes his own speeches, as well as his own books, unlike Grampy. I’ll be willing to concede he does not write all of them, but the major ones like the his acceptance speech he does.

Obama has already lost? Based on what? Your imagination? Grampy McSame has no one beat on anything, but age and corruption.

Again, any proof of your lies about protestors? The crime is how the police at the RNC are rating journalists and protesters exercising their constitutional rights?

Well, I’m a liberal, and I am more of a patriot than you will ever be,

Communications guru said...

Nice post, Ka. Thanks.

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

CG...I know you have a policy against censoring posts, no matter their profanity or their stoopidness, but if anyone exhibits troll-like behavior, it's your resident wing-nut, brett.

He's a fool and only contributes insanity, IMHO, unlike brett, who deletes posts that offend his sensibilities...the poor little pearl clutcher.

Also, brett, wake the fuck up. Your party is playing you for a fool.

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

Now, just a darn minute.

According to the Rethuglicans, Democrats are elitist!

Who woulda thunkit?

But of course, Vanity Fair is a libruhl, elitist publication, which would naturally portray the Rethuglicans in a poor light.

Spare-fucking-me!

Communications guru said...

Thanks KA. He’s just not that important. Plus, he does more for our side. The scum bag just shows people how petty their bankrupt party is, how hateful they are and how uninformed he is.

Communications guru said...

Nice find, KA. I love this line from the story:
“Wow! No wonder McCain has so many houses: his wife has the price of a Scottsdale split-level hanging from her ears.”

Classic.

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

But, but...we're ELITIST!

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

CG...did you see this post over at his fishwrapper?

http://conservativelifestyle.blogspot.com/2008/09/message-to-liberals.html

Again, I use cognitive dissonance. They truly don't know how fucking stupid they sound. Is it a disease?

What a fucking tool!

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

Sorry, I should've posted it as a link instead of a simple post.

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

Imagine fucking that!

No, ab-so-loot-lee not, there is no ELIMINATIONISM OR RACISM in this campaign.

Brett said...

Threats? Really? What are you ten years old?

Like I'm worried about a liberal threatening a fight. Or maybe I should be scared if you carry a large purse.

I should have expected a really childish post like that from a wimpy liberal.

Brett

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

Brett, keep making it up. You rethuglicans are world class at playing the victim.

What a bunch of fucking government-teat whores you rethuglicans are.

Pretty soon, you'll be bitchin' cuz "those libruhl democrats will say YOU cain't tell folks how to worship!"

You fucking pussy.

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

Does anyone find it funny that if she weren't such a fucking moron, she would NOT be getting this much attention?

Just goes to show that the Republicans are excellent and pandering to the base.

Red Or Dead said...

Could someone please supply us with Kevin Shopshires (Aka communications guru) address. I am sure a few people would like his also as this site has done to Brett.

Also why does ka have to use such profanity to express his rose colored view . It is very liberal like. Him as the rest of the liberal elite drive by media are terrified of losing this election. The Palin choice caught them totally off guard and now the only way they can react is in a childish manner. Grow up fellas and just state your views in an adult manner.

Communications guru said...

I would never make threats. A promise, yes.
If you would like to settle this like men I would be glad to. Somehow I'm 10 years old because I resent being called a pedophile? Somehow calling a person a vile name like that is mature in your world, and you can do so without consequences. Why don't you try this: debate with the facts instead of name-calling, but I guess when the truth is not on your side, that's the best you can do.

Communications guru said...

Hey, commie or dead, I'm in the phone book. How is calling someone a pedophile not childish and offensive in your world?

Brett said...

I'm not sure what else someone that goes after a 17 year old girl is called.

There is no debating on this site. Much debasing but zero debating.

I really expect that next you'll say "my daddy can beat up your daddy, nyah nyay."

Brett

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

red or dead, read it, don't read it, I could give a shit. Go clutch your pearls elsewhere asshole.

Brett, you right about debasing, you do it with every post.

Communications guru said...

I never went after a 17-year-old girl here. I pointed out the hypocrisy, only after she and her surrogates repeatedly used her baby as a prop, of being against sex education and vetoing money for a home for unwed, teen mothers. I don't need anyone to fight my battles. If you aren't smart enough to find my address using my name I can email it to you. Where I come from, I never write something I'm not willing to say directly to someone's face.

Brett said...

Red or dead,

Thank you for your words, but don't put his address on here. There are several problems with posting someone's personal information on the internet.

First, it's against the Terms of Service of the blogspot site and he could lose his blog for that action.

Second, and most importantly, putting personal information out there is dangerous. If the information is incorrect, whomever does live at that address could be unknowingly put in danger for something that they aren't even involved in. If there are women or children living at that address, whether the information is correct or not, it puts those women and children in possible danger from any predators out there. I wouldn't want that on my conscious if something happened to someone.

There is a responsibility that a person takes when they start something on the internet. I refuse to compromise my principles by doing that even if someone does that to me. It just demonstrates their lack of class, taste and decorum.

I expect this sort of thing from a liberal. I refuse to stoop to the liberals level and put others or even him in danger.

These topics are all about politics. He's constantly describing some poliiticians as my hero despite my telling him in the past that politicians are not hero's of mine. Apparently, his hero's are in politics and he gets angry easily when one says something that he disagrees with.

My heros are the ones that founded this country, that created our constitution and that fight for this country and its' causes regardless of which politician is sitting in office at the time.

Threats are childish. Putting out personal information, whether accurate or not puts someone in danger.

The only thing he accomplished by doing what he did was to show his lack of tolerance, his lack of class and his lack of concern for other people and other people's children.

It also shows the level of hatred that he would take the time to attempt to find someone that he so vehemently disagrees with. I guess I don't understand that because I just don't care enough about him to even attempt to find out his name, let alone an address real or made up.

Brett

Republican Michigander said...

Dargo, take your valium, son. You're going insane.

Communications guru said...

You are a hypocrite. You violate your own principals, if you even have any. I have not violated anything:
"PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION: We do not allow the unauthorized publishing of people's private and confidential information, such as credit card numbers, Social Security Numbers, and driver's and other license numbers."

I also never linked your name to an address.

What principals are you talking about: These are your words:
"I love a good debate, hearing others opinions and the back and forth on the issues of the day.
Please be civil. Namecalling doesn't further a discussion, it only shows the lack of tolerance which can only take away from your position."

I guess you violated those "principals" the first time you posted here. You don't think calling somebody a pedophile violates that "principal?"

Since you continue to duck my questions I will continue to ask them: How is calling a person a vile name like that mature in your world? I never write something about somebody I'm not willing to say directly to someone's face. Why do you? This is not about liberal or conservative; it's about you being just a vile coward that is afraid to stand by what they write.

I have heard you say many times politicians are not your heroes, but then you worship rightwing politicians. Live up to your words. What crap. I spent 20 years in the military defending this country, regardless of which politician is sitting in office at the time, but you had no problem attacking me and calling me a pedophile for no reason. I don't give lip service to patriotism like you.

I didn't take any time to find you. I have said this time and time again, and I will say it again: You came here to attack me, I never sought you out. If you went away, no one would be any worse off. But then again, you have more of an audience here for your disgusting lies than that thing you call a blog.

Brett said...

On your site, I give what I get, but thank you for putting out what I put on my blog site. You see, on my site, I put standards in. If you use four letter words that are inappropriate for children, I remove them. My blog is open to conservatives, liberals, moderates, adults and children. However, they must show respect by not using vulgar language. Your other personna has already discovered that. You used the "c" word on there. I removed it. Call it censorship if you choose, but I suspect if you used that language in a library, you'd be expelled. In fact, nearly any public place, you'd be expelled.

Would you want your children be subjected that type of language? Never mind. I withdraw that question. You've already displayed with your words that you have no respect for children, women or others opinions. So the question is moot.

If you have so little respect for children, then you've earned your moniker.

You put an address on there. If it's real, you've opened the person that lives there up for any sick predator out there to go and check it out and possibly to do harm to the person that lives there. If that address has children living there, you've opened up those children to danger from those predators. If there are children in the neighborhood, you've opened up a new neighborhood for predators.

Putting out a name is one thing. Many people can have that same name. Putting an address out there, if the address is a real address, you've become more specific.

If the address is real, and the person that lives there sees their address on the internet in this context, you may have opened yourself up to legal action.

Why? Because of hatred. Because you can't control your temper.

20 years in the boy scouts isn't military experience. I would think that you would have learned to control your temper even with 20 years in the boy scouts. So what you've proven with your words is that you are not a respectable person, military experience or not.

You can do the right thing and remove the address or you can keep up with your snit. Either way, it's no skin off my nose. You've already displayed your lack of character. If your ego is more important to you than the possible safety of women, children, elderly or anyone else, by all means leave it there.

Brett

Communications guru said...

You have no standard, principals or courage. Like you patriotism, it's all just lip service. "I give what I get?" When have I ever called you a pedophile? This is a blog for adults and for grown up debate, and I do not believe in censorship like you. Hearing the word fuck does not offended me; I spent 20 years in the Navy. If it offends you, go somewhere else.

To get respect, you must give it, and you have shown no respect to anyone here. Where are you getting this shit that I have no respect for children? What are you basing that on? It seems ironic that someone from a party who votes against extending health care for children is going to tell me I have no respect for children.

The post stays. I leave your vile posts up, so I will leave that, too. What world did you grow up in that you can call someone a disgusting, vile name like that and not expect a reaction? Again, unlike you, I will not write anything about someone I will not say to their face. You do it because you are a coward who thinks they can slime and attack people anonymously. That says a lot about your lack of character, and it demonstrates your cowardice.

Brett said...

Let me get this straight, you're actually going to whine and moan and cry about YOU posting a private residence on YOUR site about someone else?

You really think that any bitching and moaning on your part justifies putting a private residence on the internet all because you got your underwear bunched up your crotch?

You REALLY think that you can justify putting women, children, elderly at rish all for the sake of your own ego and political perversions?

If you have a problem with someone, deal one on one with the person. But to put unsuspecting people at risk over the internet under guise of not being afraid to say to ones face what you say in writing is sick. Especially since while you've talked a good game about saying things face to face, YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT.

You've hidden behind the skirt of the internet, put out the possible address of a possible private residence and you call that face to face?

You're a coward that has gotten himself into a snit and now throwing out false bravado. I'm not sure whom you're trying to impress, and I don't really care. If you think throwing testosterone around (or in your case possibly estrogen) is impressing anyone you're sadly mistaken.

You've crossed the line of decency by putting people that you've never met, AT RISK, in an attempt to try to hurt me or mine. You're a coward. You're extremely lucky if nobody has reported this to a prosecutor. Threatening physical violence? Really???

All because of politics? Man, you're priorities are really out of whack.

You can do the right thing and remove the address, or you can hope and pray that someone doesn't take advantage and an innocent person end up getting hurt because of YOUR actions brought on by YOUR lack of control of YOUR temper.

Imagine if it works the other way. Someone could be hurt when they defend themselves from some pervert or predator. But then, you don't think about others. Just yourself.

The smart thing for you to do is to shut up and remove that before somethign serious happens to some poor unsuspecting soul.

Brett

Communications guru said...

What is it that I'm "whine(ing) and moan(ing) and cry(ing) about?" You called me a pedophile, what did I call you?

I didn't post a private residence address, I posted yours. If you have a problem with it, do something about it. I don't understand why anyone would want to cause you harm?

I am dealing one-on-one with the person I have a problem with, you. So do you want to meet me so you can call me a pedophile to my face? I'm willing.

I "crossed the line of decency?" You didn't? You can go ahead and report this to a prosecutor.

It's "All because of politics?" What does calling someone a pedophile have to do with politics?

I tell you what I will do, apologize, and I will relent and break my policy and remove it. If not, then say it to my face.

Brett said...

If it was my address, you don't consider that private?

I cannot apologize for what you are. You are responsible for what you are, what you say and what you do.

But it's nice that you agree that you're wrong and are willing to remove it albeit with conditions.

If you were right in what you did, you'd never offer to remove it. I wouldn't back down from my words unless proven wrong.

I'd suggest you do what you think is right, but you've already proven that your judgment is not very good.

Should you choose to continue to put children, women and/or elderly at risk, that's for your conscious. There is a right and a wrong. If your ego won't allow you to do what's right, that's your problem...and the problem of those that might be at that address. But then, innocent bystanders are not the concerns of a liberal. The liberal is only concerned about himself and you've proven with your actions and your continued arguments at trying to justify your action that your concern is only about you.

Cowardly and egotistical. Not a pretty combination.

Good luck with your conscious. Can't wait until I hear you say "do it for the children" again.

Brett

Communications guru said...

Fine, if you think I'm pedophile, I challenge you to prove it, report me and say it to my face.

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

More ad hominem attacks from the koolaid drinkers. Brett, own your shit.

Brett said...

TEXAS WOMAN KILLS HOME INTRUDER WITH HIS OWN GUN
Thursday, September 04, 2008

BLUE MOUND, Texas — When two gunmen smashed through the glass front door of her suburban Fort Worth home, Kellie Hoehn didn't think twice.
The 34-year-old mother of two grabbed a shotgun that had been pointed at her face early Wednesday, starting a struggle that ended with one intruder killed with his own weapon and another in the hospital.
"I wasn't going to let them get to my babies," she said, recalling the moment when she pushed up the muzzle of the shotgun, pointing it away from her children's rooms.
Although the intruders told her to keep quiet, she screamed for her husband. She told her 12-year-old son, who was awakened by the sound of the shattering glass front door, to get his 5-year-old sister and hide.
"It was like a horror movie," her husband, 32-year-old Keith Hoehn, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. "I thought I was a dead man. We're fighting for our lives."
With Kellie Hoehn clinging to the weapon's muzzle, her husband tackled the man who held the shotgun. She knocked the intruder in the head with a jar candle, giving her husband a chance to wrest the shotgun.
By then the tussle had spilled out onto the front lawn. Keith Hoehn shot one of the men who had a pistol, police said. Wounded, that man ran away.
Then the intruder who initially had the shotgun charged Keith Hoehn.
Kellie Hoehn told The Dallas Morning News that she screamed at her husband, "Shoot him, shoot him, shoot him."
Her husband fired the shotgun and the man fell to the ground. Then the shot man lunged a second time.
"Well, I shot him again, and I guess that was it," Keith Hoehn said.
Dakota Scott Benoit, 20, of Richland Hills, was pronounced dead at a hospital. John Garland Pierson, 25, of Haltom City, was in critical condition and in police custody at the hospital.
"I am not happy that someone is dead," Kellie Hoehn said. "But I am glad that my family is alive."
Police said Pierson was shot in the left arm and the bullet pierced his diaphragm and other organs but his condition was improving. He will face charges of burglary of habitation with intent to commit another felony, police said.
Investigators say the couple were just defending their family and probably won't be charged.

Brett said...

All show, no go. Typical liberal.

Communications guru said...

What the hell does that mean?

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

He's just trolling and thread-jacking...a trait not uncommon the wing-nut assbags.

Brett said...

I have printed out the threat, and the address you printed and notified the proper officials. I told them that they probably didn't have anything to worry about as far as the threat goes, but that the people at the address you listed might want to be aware in case there are strange people or cars lurking around.

How they pursue it beyond that is up to them. I gave them the url so that they could look at it for themselves and watch to see if you remove the address, but it's probably too late anyway.

While they wouldn't (or couldn't) tell me what form of violation in law this is, I'm thinking "stalking".

Good luck to you on that.

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

stalking...oh my, the pearl clutching abounds.

Communications guru said...

Wow, I’m scared. Like I said before, I’ll meet you anytime anywhere, but you’re too much of a coward to ever do that. You call people vile, false names and hide behind the internet. I guess I scared you by printing your address. Good.

I have not violated the law nor, nor will I ever. The only person that can be accused of stalking is you. You came here to my blog and attacked me, I didn’t seek you out.

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

But, but, Clinton...

shelley said...

I read over the back and forth between you two from the past couple of days. Brett is right. You are posting an address. By doing this you are putting someone at risk. If it's Brett's address you're putting him at risk of every deranged individual that gets on the internet and stumbles across this. If it's not Brett's address you are putting someone else at risk of every deranged individual. Before you say that I'm another rightwing extremist you should know that I supported Hillary and still hope for Hillary to be added to the Democratic ticket. A persons safety does not have party affiliation. Brett is also right that whether it is his address or someone elses address it'is a private address. It is wrong to put anyones address on the internet. You two never admit when either of you are wrong about anything. You are going to have to admit your wrong this time. You are wrong to put anyones address on the internet. I insist that remove his address immediately. This is not the way to get your point across. Anger and revenge is a rightwing trait. Do not make Democrats look anymore hateful than you already have. Remove the address.

ka_Dargo_Hussein said...

This is funny!

Up in the Twin Cities area folks are speaking a new language. Or, should I say Palinguage. It sounds sorta familiar because it's Latin based. But different from the plain English we're used to speaking, in Palinguage recognizable words take on new meanings. Won't you take a moment to learn some Plainguage so you can talk like a hypocritical conservative?

REPEAT THE FOLLOWING:

If you're a minority and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "token hire." If you're a conservative and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "game changer."

If you live in an Urban area and you get a girl pregnant you're a "baby daddy." If you're the same in Alaska you're a "teen father." (Actually, according to your own MySpace page you're an F'n redneck that don't want any kids, but that's too long a phrase for the evil liberal media to take out of context and flog morning noon and night).

Black teen pregnancies? A "crisis" in black America. White teen pregnancies? A "blessed event."

If you grow up in Hawaii you're "exotic." Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you're the quintessential "American story."

Similarly, if you name you kid Barack you're "unpatriotic." Name your kid Track, you're "colorful."

If you're a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the individual you're "reckless." A Republican who doesn't fully vet is a "maverick."

If you say that for the "first time in my adult lifetime I'm really proud of my country" it makes you "unfit" to be First Lady. If you are a registered member of a fringe political group that advocates secession that makes you "First Dude."

A DUI from twenty years ago is "old news." A speech given without proper citation from twenty years ago is "relevant information."

And, finally, if you're a man and you decide to run for office despite your wife's recurrence of cancer you're a "questionable spouse." If you're a woman and you decide to run for office despite having five kids including a newborn... Well, we don't know what that is 'cause THAT'S NOT A FAIR QUESTION TO ASK.

Brett said...

Shelley,

Thank you, but you're wasting your breath. This guy is not one that has any moral decency. He's more concerned about his own ego than he is about the safety of women, children and the elderly. He proved that with all of the ways he tried to justify putting people at risk in an earlier post of his.

But I do thank you for standing up for what is right.

Communications guru said...

Dude, you’re Shelly. I have as many morals as you do, which probably isn’t saying much. I made a good faith offer. Hell, you don’t even have to do it publicly so you can save face.

Brett said...

Good faith? From a guy that agrees with putting the body of a 17 year old child on the cover of a magazine and talking about sex? Moral is not a part of your lexicon.

Here's the deal Mr. Pervert. I don't make deals over the safety of others. I don't make deals over what's right and what's wrong. I realize that you think everyone ought to be the "same" but the fact is that you violated privacy standards.

It doesn't matter if it's mine or if it's someone elses. Let's say it is mine for a second. I have children. You put my children at risk by any sicko that wants to check it out.

Let's say it's not mine. You put any children or elderly that may have that address, at risk.

Regardless of how you cut it, that is wrong. There is NOTHING right about that. You're a sick bastard with your own self interests only in mind and to hell with everyone else and their privacy. You can never speak about the health, safety and welfare of another human being when you take the actions you have taken.

Accountability is yours. You've lost all credibility when you try to speak about health care for children. You've proven that you have no concern for children when it comes to your own self interests. You've lost all credibility when it comes to the elderly by demonstrating that you have no concern for the elderly. You've lost all credibility when it comes to privacy by demonstrating that you want to be private, but others privacy is of no concern to you.

YOu're a very good example of a low life. You represent the Democrat Party well with your "me, me, me" attitude and "to hell with everyone else".

You've proven my thoughts of you 100% correct. You threaten to come out and kick my ass. Now you've changed it. You'll meet me anywhere? Once again, your words mean nothing. You're all show, no go.

Gee, alot like Barack Hussein Obama. A cheap, empty suit.

Communications guru said...

What the hell and who are you talking about? Who put “the body of a 17 year old child on the cover of a magazine and talking about sex? “

I made a good faith offer, you rejected it, fine. I would never call someone a child molester because I disagree with them Nor would I call someone a name unless I was willing to say it to their face.

I never threatened to “come out and kick my ass.” I said I would call you when President Obama wins to congratulate you. You then stooped even lower than normal to call me a pedophile. I, like most normal people, took offense at that disgusting, vile slur. I said “You should count your lucky stars I don’t come to” your house “kick your sorry ass.” I said I will meet you anywhere and anyplace so you could call me a child molester to my face.

Both offers still stand.

Brett said...

You're a coward that plays with words. I'd be wrong in calling you a despicable human being. There is nothing human about you.

There's a special place in hell for those that put in harms way the elderly, women and especially children. You might want to carry a couple of bags of ice with you at all times.

Communications guru said...

Ditto for you. If I’m a coward, what is it I’m afraid of? How Am I playing with words. What I just posted at 12:36 PM is 100 percent correct. I challenge you to prove otherwise. How am I putting “the elderly, women and especially children in harm’s way?” Why should I carry a couple of bags of ice with me at all times.

Brett said...

Do you don't have to play dumb. You've proven yourself to be dumb.

Communications guru said...

What are you talking about? There you go again; when you can’t answer a question, you ignore it. When you’re afraid of a challenge, you ignore it and stoop to name-calling instead.

There are at least two challenges there for you to take up.

Brett said...

I only attempt debates with people I respect. Can't respect someone that puts children, women and elderly at risk. Nor one that lies and is perverted.

I reckon all of that leaves you out.

Communications guru said...

If you don’t “attempt debates with people you don’t respect” then why do you keep commenting here? This is my blog. And to debate you have to have some facts. You have nothing but opinions, and constant name calling is not debate.

Also, I have never put “children, women and elderly at risk.”

But I am glad to hear that from you that you will not debate because I am sick of your lies and attacks. Goodbye.

Brett said...

CG's definition of debate: Say the opposite of anything that someone that is from a different political persuasion says and admire that minor children are abused on the internet.

Tell lies constantly.

When you have nothing to say, start putting private addresses on the internet putting even more children, women and the elderly in possible danger.

Communications guru said...

I thought you were done with me?

“…admire that minor children are abused on the internet?” What the hell are you talking about? It’s disgusting that you make a vile, false charge like that just because you disagree with someone.

First, I do not tell lies. You have accused me of that constantly, but have never ever found or proved one, not one. Ever.

When you can’t stand one the issues you call people vile, disgusting names.

Anonymous said...

Turnabout is fair play. Check out the perverted websites. I'm sure you'll see a familiar picture on one of them until the address is removed. If you don't care about safety of children, women and elderly, then it must be okay for everyone.