Republican State Senate candidate Joe Hune’s offhand remarks about the United Nations and the 2nd Amendment in a debate last week surprised and caught so many people off guard that the Livingston County Daily Press & Argus decided to do a follow up story on that remark.
Hune and his GOP opponent for the open 22nd District seat, Howell City Councilman Paul Rogers, squared off in a debate last week sponsored by the paper. Hune was asked a follow up question as to why he thought the 2nd Amendment is more important than the 1st Amendment, and did he believe the 2nd Amendment was under attack and by whom. Hune’s reply flabbergasted the paper’s news editor and publisher.
“We have consistently heard, time and time again, that there are folks who are absolutely concerned about the United Nations nuke treaty - I believe exactly what it is - trying to essentially give some of our rights away to the UN, which is exactly the wrong place to go,” Hune said.
Hune’s belief that black helicopters are coming for his handgun is a long held anti-government, Michigan Militia belief, and Hune’s embrace of the racist and anti-government teabagger movement is showing.
That would be bad enough, but it appears that those extremist views are beginning to be held by the majority of the Republican Party that has steady moved to the right; so much so that it has fallen off the cliff and driven all moderates out of the party.
What Hune is misrepresenting and lying about is the UN Small Arms Treaty. What it basically does is combat the illicit global trade of small arms. In fact, the treaty would not hinder the right to produce, export or import arms, and it is aimed at ensuring common international import and export standards to prevent illegal trafficking. It also includes not only the illegal trade in guns but the sale of fighter planes, unmanned aerial vehicles, missiles and light weapons.
The fact is this has nothing to do with the sale or manufacture of guns in the U.S., and no President can ever ban handguns in the U.S. through the signing of an international treaty.
Chuck Fellows, the Democratic candidate for the 22nd District that includes Livingston County, Shiawassee County and a southern part of Ingham County, injected some sanity in the follow up, saying Hune is making "fear-mongering" remarks.
Fellows told the paper that he fully supports gun-ownership rights under the Second Amendment, but the proposed UN treaty has absolutely nothing to do with handguns in the U.S. Not only that, a draft treaty isn't expected to be written before 2012, and all international treaties require the approval of two-thirds of the U.S. Senate before they are considered ratified and in effect. Michigan is just coming out of the Bush recession - the worst since the Great Depression - and needs jobs right now, not false fear-mongering.
"He's bringing forth issues that really have nothing to do with the state of Michigan,” Fellows told the paper. “The state of Michigan has one major problem, and that's jobs.
Even after having a few days to think about it, Hune is sticking to that lie. He claims this is a big issue with people in the district. That may be the case with a few fringe teabaggers, but not the majority of voters. I know you have to tack right to win a primary election and play to the base, especially in predominately county like Livingston, but Hune has gone off the cliff.
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I see no reference to black helicopters. That's twice you've said that, but I have read nothing nor heard anything about him saying anything about black helicopters. You're just using fear tactics with this talk and that of implying he's part of the Michigan militia.
All moderates are driven out of the party? That's a new one. Can't wait to see how you back that one up. Oh, I forgot, you won't.
I see you're up to the same old stunts of calling the one state recession in Michigan for the past 7 years, the Bush recession. The fact is that the economy grew at its' greatest rate from 2002 through the first half of 2007. That would be during the Bush years. Following 9/11, the economy dropped but the following March it bounced back and that bounced lasted into 2007. The recession has been declared as started in December 2007.
The interesting thing about that date is that it was 11 months after the socialist Democrats took over the House and Senate. Another interesting thing about that is that it's the Congress that holds the purse strings. Not the President. The President can only sign or veto what the Congress puts out.
Once again, Bush is guilty of not curbing spending and it cost the Republicans in the 2006 election. But in January 2007, the socialist Democrats took over. Before the year was out, we were in the recession.
It's also not the worst recession since the "Great Depression". The recession in the late 70's and early 80's was much worse. Double digit inflation. Double digit unemployment.
But you have a bigger problem now. Obama said he'd not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250k per year. He also said that the Health Care takeover was "absolutely not a tax". Yet in court, here in Michigan, in writing, they are saying that the health care takeover is a tax and therefore consitutional.
So now, people making less than $250k are going to pay a tax.
Another interesting thing. Obama and the rest of the socialist Democrats have been saying how bad the Bush tax cuts have been, but now they are talking about extending those tax cuts. Why would they extend tax cuts for the rich?
It must be hard being on that merry go round. It's good at first, but spin enough and eventually you start regurgitating. The puke in the White House is now throwing up everywhere, even on his 7th vacation in a year and a half.
I see no reference to black helicopters. That's twice you've said that, but I have read nothing nor heard anything about him saying anything about black helicopters. You're just using fear tactics with this talk and that of implying he's part of the Michigan militia.
All moderates are driven out of the party? That's a new one. Can't wait to see how you back that one up. Oh, I forgot, you won't.
I see you're up to the same old stunts of calling the one state recession in Michigan for the past 7 years, the Bush recession. The fact is that the economy grew at its' greatest rate from 2002 through the first half of 2007. That would be during the Bush years. Following 9/11, the economy dropped but the following March it bounced back and that bounced lasted into 2007. The recession has been declared as started in December 2007.
The interesting thing about that date is that it was 11 months after the socialist Democrats took over the House and Senate. Another interesting thing about that is that it's the Congress that holds the purse strings. Not the President. The President can only sign or veto what the Congress puts out.
Once again, Bush is guilty of not curbing spending and it cost the Republicans in the 2006 election. But in January 2007, the socialist Democrats took over. Before the year was out, we were in the recession.
It's also not the worst recession since the "Great Depression". The recession in the late 70's and early 80's was much worse. Double digit inflation. Double digit unemployment.
But you have a bigger problem now. Obama said he'd not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250k per year. He also said that the Health Care takeover was "absolutely not a tax". Yet in court, here in Michigan, in writing, they are saying that the health care takeover is a tax and therefore consitutional.
So now, people making less than $250k are going to pay a tax.
Another interesting thing. Obama and the rest of the socialist Democrats have been saying how bad the Bush tax cuts have been, but now they are talking about extending those tax cuts. Why would they extend tax cuts for the rich?
It must be hard being on that merry go round. It's good at first, but spin enough and eventually you start regurgitating. The puke in the White House is now throwing up everywhere, even on his 7th vacation in a year and a half.
Stop playing dumb, anonymous coward. Oh wait, I forgot; sorry about that. Black helicopters is a reference to the Michigan militia’s belief back in the early to mid-1990s that the UN was taking over and going to invade the U.S. in their evil quest for the New World Order for one world government. Apparently, it never really went away. I never said he was part of the MM, but the fact is that is an MM belief. Not only that, he’s a teabagger, and the MM are a big part of the MM.
Correct, anonymous coward, all moderates are driven out of the party. Just look at the Senate races in Nevada and Kentucky, and the new John McCain as proof.
Michigan has never been in a one state recession. Historically, Michigan is the first state to feel the effects of a recession because it’s largest employer is the car industry, and that’s the first thing people put off buying in bad economic times. The fact is Bush did not create a single net job.
Once again, anonymous coward, there is no such thing as a Socialist Democrat in the United States, and that is just a false, Republican smear. The President is just as responsible as Congress for the budget, considering he can sign or veto it. It’s a partnership.
Once again, anonymous coward, there is no such thing as a Socialist Democrat in the United States, and that is just a false, Republican smear. We were in a recession long before it officially begun, and it was Bush’s polices that started it. Talk about spin. You’re trying to rewrite history, but the American people are nit stupid. There is a good reason Bush is one of worst five presidents of all time. Not only was it the Bush recession that cost the Republicans the House, it was the Republican corruption.
Sorry, anonymous coward, it was worst recession since the “Great Depression.” We were close to falling into a depression and the country’s financial system completely collapsing. Another try at rewriting history. Where did you get that one, anonymous coward, rush?
And Obama is correct in that has not raised taxes on anyone making less than $250k per year. There is no Health Care takeover, anonymous coward, but if you mean health care insurance reform, it’s only a tax if they don’t follow the law.
Once again, anonymous coward, there is no such thing as a Socialist Democrat in the United States, and that is just a false, Republican smear. The Bush tax cuts for the rich are bad. They helped turn a budget surplus into a huge deficit. I’m not hearing this talk, but I guess it’s possible After all; the President is not a liberal and never has been.
Seriously, anonymous coward; you’re giving the President a hard time for spending a few days with his family after Bush? Give me a break. No is close to the amount of vacation Bush took.
“The puke in the White House?” What a loser you are, anonymous coward.
Again, anonymous coward, I’m still waiting for you to back up your outrageous lie that we were “nearly shoulder to shoulder once.”
Stop playing dumb, anonymous coward. Oh wait, I forgot; sorry about that. Black helicopters is a reference to the Michigan militia’s belief back in the early to mid-1990s that the UN was taking over and going to invade the U.S. in their evil quest for the New World Order for one world government. Apparently, it never really went away. I never said he was part of the MM, but the fact is that is an MM belief. Not only that, he’s a teabagger, and the MM are a big part of the MM.
Correct, anonymous coward, all moderates are driven out of the party. Just look at the Senate races in Nevada and Kentucky, and the new John McCain as proof.
Michigan has never been in a one state recession. Historically, Michigan is the first state to feel the effects of a recession because it’s largest employer is the car industry, and that’s the first thing people put off buying in bad economic times. The fact is Bush did not create a single net job.
Once again, anonymous coward, there is no such thing as a Socialist Democrat in the United States, and that is just a false, Republican smear. The President is just as responsible as Congress for the budget, considering he can sign or veto it. It’s a partnership.
Once again, anonymous coward, there is no such thing as a Socialist Democrat in the United States, and that is just a false, Republican smear. We were in a recession long before it officially begun, and it was Bush’s polices that started it. Talk about spin. You’re trying to rewrite history, but the American people are nit stupid. There is a good reason Bush is one of worst five presidents of all time. Not only was it the Bush recession that cost the Republicans the House, it was the Republican corruption.
Sorry, anonymous coward, it was worst recession since the “Great Depression.” We were close to falling into a depression and the country’s financial system completely collapsing. Another try at rewriting history. Where did you get that one, anonymous coward, rush?
And Obama is correct in that has not raised taxes on anyone making less than $250k per year. There is no Health Care takeover, anonymous coward, but if you mean health care insurance reform, it’s only a tax if they don’t follow the law.
Once again, anonymous coward, there is no such thing as a Socialist Democrat in the United States, and that is just a false, Republican smear. The Bush tax cuts for the rich are bad. They helped turn a budget surplus into a huge deficit. I’m not hearing this talk, but I guess it’s possible After all; the President is not a liberal and never has been.
Seriously, anonymous coward; you’re giving the President a hard time for spending a few days with his family after Bush? Give me a break. No is close to the amount of vacation Bush took.
“The puke in the White House?” What a loser you are, anonymous coward.
Again, anonymous coward, I’m still waiting for you to back up your outrageous lie that we were “nearly shoulder to shoulder once.”
There's no black helicopter references outside of your imagination. As far as I know, Joe's not a teabagger either as he's a married man. I don't know what's running into your sick mind, but that's your business.
Joe answered a question on threats to the 2nd Amendment. The old UN small arms treaty had registration provisions and restrictions on "non state actors." I don't know what's in the current plan as that's still in discussions. Registration leads to confiscation.
All it takes is a punk like Obama to sign a bad treaty, a bad US senate to ratify it, and one more judge to show disrespect to the constitution and have the same views on freedom as you do, to change things.
“There's no black helicopter references outside of your imagination?” Apparently, you weren’t alive in the early andmid-1990s. I was a reporter in Lenawee County, and that was a constant theme of the Michigan Militia.
Sorry, Joe is a tea bagger. His martial status has nothing to do with it. I don't know what's running into your sick mind, but that's your business.
There is no threat to the 2nd Amendment, least of all from the small arms treaty. “Registration leads to confiscation?” Bullshit.
The president of the United States is a punk? Give me a break. The only people showing disrespect to the Constitution are teabagger like you. There are nothing wrong with my views on freedom just because I don’t with a single issue voter like you. In fact, I spent 20 years in the military defending freedom; where did you serve?
The good news is he is changing things for the better. But after Bush any change is good.
After nearly 8 years of Granholm not taking responsibility for her failures, and you being such a brown noser for the socialist Democrats, I'm really not surprised that you'd go to such a stretch to blame Bush for Granholms shortcomings.
You continue to be a juvenile with your references to the Tea Party group. It fits your needs to be calling the Tea Partiers racists, but it's not true. In fact, Andrew Breitbart has offered $100,000 to anyone that can give evidence of the John Lewis racist accusation on the day that the health care takeover was passed. To date, there have been no takers because their is no proof.
Apparently, you aren't up on the news of the day. Obama has admitted in court filings that the health care takeover is a tax on the American people.
Yes, Obama is a puke or a punk as the other guy said. He might even be called a punk and a puke. Whatever he's called, he's definitely not presidential.
All Presidents deserve a vacation and believe me, if Obutthead spent 365 days on vacation each year, I'd be a happy man. At least he wouldn't be destroying America if he's sitting on a beach....oh wait. He didn't go to the gulf. Hasn't been there since his last photo op on June 4.
I find it interesting that in the latest poll, Obama only gets 37% if the election were held today. And that's against ANY Republican. Nobody specific. ANY Republican.
Hell, my dog could do a better job and all she does is chase a ball and bring it back.
Again, no governor has control over the national economy, and she didn’t create the Bush recession - the worst since the Great Depression - that led to two of Michigan’s three largest employers going into bankruptcy. Once again, anonymous coward, there is no such thing as a Socialist Democrat in the United States, and that is just a false, Republican smear. I’m not a “brown noser” for anyone, and nothing I have written is untrue. Again, anonymous coward, Gov. Granholm didn’t create the depression that led to GM and Chrysler going into bankruptcy, Bush did.
I “continue to be a juvenile with my references to the Tea Party group” Why? Because I call them what they call themselves? Teabaggers are racist. How much more proof do you need, anonymous coward? Andrew Breitbart? Wow, there’s a pillar of honesty. The attack on John Lewis is a fact, and there is no such thing as a health care takeover. Apparently, you aren't up on the news of the day. “The National Tea Party Federation” announced that the group Tea Party Express was being expelled after radio talk show host Mark Williams wrote a racist “letter to Abraham Lincoln.”
Like I said in the last comment when I debunked your BS, anonymous coward, as well as my blog post on March 25, it’s only a tax if they don’t follow the law.
http://liberalmedianot.blogspot.com/2010/03/cox-is-called-out-on-his-attempt-to.html
Wait, let me see if I got this right: I “continue to be a juvenile” by calling the racist tea baggers the name they called themselves, but you calling the President of the United States of America and the leader of the free world a “punk, a “puke” and “Obutthead” is not juvenile? Not only are you an anonymous coward, but you’re a disrespectful punk.
No president has spent as much time on vacation as Bush, and that’s just one of the reasons he was rated as one of the five worst Presidents in U.S. history.
http://liberalmedianot.blogspot.com/2010/07/gwb-is-not-worst-us-president-in.html
No one can destroy America, but Bush came very close to destroying the country’s financial system. Good thing President Obama has gotten us out of the Bush recession - the worst since the Great Depression, despite the attempts by Republicans to stall it.
Even if President Obama hasn’t been to the Gulf since June 4, so what?
The election isn’t being held today, and the Republicans don’t have anybody.
Could your dog get the country out of the Bush recession, the worst since the Great Depression?
Again, anonymous coward, I’m still waiting for you to back up your outrageous lie that we were “nearly shoulder to shoulder once.”
Sorry that actual legal statues are getting in the way of your rants, boys -- but the fact remains that Hune is incorrect in both his assessment of the U.N. Small Arms Treaty and its potential impact on U.S. law.
Re: teabaggers, I don't know what fraternity y'all belonged to, but when people decorate themselves with Lipton products "tea bagger" is not an inappropriate descriptor...
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Father of the world greatest burger flipper you're a lying,hypocritical right wing piece of shit.. You talked about Jennifer Granholm two terms of governor but you and that other lying sack of shit Republican Michigander refuse to acknowledge the eight years of George W.Bush and the 12 years of John Engler who spent his time eating doughnuts and selling Michigan out to corporate interest and jumping into his life boat with a nice payday.
As for the tea baggers these people are the psycho wing of the Republican Party, the United States have a nerve to elect a negro as president and they lost their shit. Think about what these short bus riders are protesting
1.TAX ENOUGH ALREADY
Really? So Mr. or Mrs. tea bagger do you make 250,000 or more a year? taking a line from one of their heroes hell no you don't.
2.Government spending:
Alright where was this outrage during the eight years of Bush and his GOP majority? They didn't have a way to pay for two ways, tax cuts for the top 1% and medicare part D.
3.Taking a term coined by uber right wing media whore Michelle Malkin "generation theft" again where were the tea baggers when the Republicans were spending like teenage girls with their daddy's new credit card?
4.What the Republicans plan if they get power? More tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires.. While they scream about paying for aid for people out of work they don't mind making sure trust fund babies can reap in the benefits for having rich parents.
But I do find it funny that a group that's mostly white, mostly old and most racist formed around the same time a black man is getting elected president.
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