The spin from the rightwing terrorist groups and rightwing commentators on the murder of Kansas Dr. George Tiller is mind-boggling.
Tiller was shot to death on Sunday as he served as an usher during Evangelical Lutheran Church in America services. Tiller was a long-time target for the anti-abortion extremists because he dared perform a legal procedure on women who chose to have an abortion in a safe manner. The Women's Health Care Services, where he served as the medical director, was one of only three nationwide clinics which would provide abortion after the 21st week of pregnancy. Make that two.
One of the people who most created the atmosphere that led to the murder, Rightwing demagogue Bill O'Reilly, shamefully spun the story and refused to take responsibility. His was one of the worst examples of whipping up hate against Dr. Tiller. He was discussed in at least 28 episodes before his death. For four years he called him a baby killer, said he had blood on his hands and would “kill a baby the day before it was born.”
There was serious spin going on in the “no spin zone.”
He used the occasion to attack liberals, and he made a point of pointing out the alleged shooter’s ties to the anti-government Militia while ignoring his ties to the rightwing domestic terrorist group “Operation Rescue.” He said “Fox-haters” are using the murder of Dr. Tiller to attack him. Can this guy’s ego get any larger? He brought on two people to agree with him; Kris Kobach and Brian Russell.
He calls Kobach a law professor and mentions he is running for Kansas Secretary of State. He fails, of course, to mention that he is a right-winger and the chair of the Kansas Republican Party for two years. Russell is a “psychologist and attorney” who has appeared on O'Reilly’s show in the past to talk about Dr. Tiller. Obviously, we know his position.
So much for fair and balanced, and he doesn’t want anyone on who has a different viewpoint.
Jed Lewison, at Daily Kos, put together a devastating video of O'Reilly’s personal mission against Dr. Tiller.
The alleged shooter joins a long list of anti-abortion terrorists.
Randall Terry, the founder of the domestic terrorist group “Operation Rescue,” tried to distance himself from the hateful and dangerous atmosphere he created, but he just reinforced it, celebrating the death of Dr. Tiller.
“The point that must be emphasized over, and over, and over again: pro-life leaders and the pro-life movement are not responsible for George Tiller's death. George Tiller was a mass-murder and, horrifically, he reaped what he sowed.”
These terrorists are no better than Al-Qaeda. Make no mistake; this is to intimidate doctors from performing a legal procedure.
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"For four years he called him a baby killer, said he had blood on his hands and would “kill a baby the day before it was born.”"
O'Reilly told the truth. Slavery was legal. So are a lot of bad things in the past.
O'Reilly's hands are clean. Roeder's hands aren't, but O'Reilly's hands are.
Sorry, billo has blood on his hands, but he has never taken responsibility for any if his actins; why start now? Dr. Tiller has never killed a baby. This slavery talking point is just that, and it has nothing to do with this argument. When slavery was abolished it never occurred again. Do really think if you outlaw abortion it will stop? I don’t understand why when conservatries controlled the U.S. Supreme Court, as well as the White House and Congress, they didn’t overturn Roe Vs Wade?
Guru, what are "Fox-hatters"? Just wondering.
Small furry animals, usually reddish brown wearing little berets.
Please, women who are carrying babies who are terribly deformed and have no chance for survival and want a late term abortion because they cannot bear to bring a child into the world with no brain or all all their organs on the outside should not be forced to carry full term. This is no way the same as slavery and this form of HATE speech is what makes these crimes happen.
Believe me, their are some very creepy people celebrating this murder. It sickens me and lessens the chance for civil discussion.
I was called a baby killer last summer when I was simply standing outside a polling place with my signs.
I saw the hatred in this man's eye and I will not buy for one minute the hate speech by groups such as "prayer and action" did not contribute to Dr Tiller's death. And that goes for Bill O'Reily. Words matter and I for one am ready to take on these hate mongers and bullies here and now.
They have blood on their hands, yes they do!
Thanks, bluzie, I could not agree more.
Bring it on Bluzie. You Socialist Democrats are always wanting to describe others feelings by what you see "in their eyes" but you never stop to think that what you say you're willing to fight and die for is the ability to kill the children you don't want.
I wonder why none of you Socialist Democrats have said a word about the soldier killed in Arkansas. A terrorist attack on two of our soldiers, on our soil (I think I predicted this would happen) and you're worried about killing babies but say nothing about the hatred of the terrorist that killed the soldier.
You also haven't said a thing about the incompetence of this administration in losing (or having stolen) a computer with sensitive stuff of the Clintons on it. At the very least you should have asked if Sandy Berger was in town that day. But you're all weeping about people not showing enough remorse for you for a dermatologist that kills babys.
Not one of you Socialist Democrats have talked about the incompetence of this administration for putting out over the internet details about our nuclear sites across the country. But you whine and moan and tell everyone how they should feel about a zit doctor that kills baby's that are within seconds of being born.
You Socialist Democrats have your priorities all screwed up. You advocate for the death of babies, but you don't give a rats heinie about our soldiers, nor our national security.
I am surprised that you're not up in arms about the ABC report saying that Obama's Muslim Roots are surfacing. I guess killing babies is more important to Socialist Democrats than America.
Speaking of hate speech. I wonder why you Socialist Democrats haven't brought up the racist comments of the Supreme Court nominee. A Latina woman can judge better than a white man? It wouldn't have been racist if she'd have said "I believe I can judge better than other judges". But to put race and gender into it, makes it a racist comment as well as a man-hating comment. But, I understand. You're more interested in babies being killed because they are inconvenient to keeping your pants up or your legs closed.
Committing a murder is a crime and it's wrong. The perpetrator will be tried and if he is the one guilty, he'll be found guilty. I don't think that Kansas has the death penalty. So while you Socialist Democrats are salivating at increasing the dead baby numbers, we will all pay to house and feed the one that killed your favorite doctor, for the rest of his life.
My goodness not annoymous, you have let go with a huge rant and attack after attack.
Does this move the ball down the court to find any common ground?
I am not one of your kind, I prefer to keep my discussions with sane and rational people.
With all political assassinations come investigations, radical groups whose goal is to fire up the insane should be held accountble as well as the accused killer. I believe people like you are just the oatmeal in the meatloaf. So rant and rave on, who cares? Who listens?
Speaking of soldiers, I didn't see your support of our local board of commissioners voting for the millage for our local veterans.
You can tell a lot about a person by the way they spend their time and money.
I hope you really support our troops, they are not Republicans or Democrats, they are 100% pure American, and I am always proud to show my support with time, money and attention.
Brett appears to be a little more unhinged than normal, Bluzie. First, there is no such thing as a “socialist Democrat” in this county, and brett knows that is just a fascist Republican talking point he spouts at every opportunity.
No, that wasn't a terrorist attack that was a hate crime. The difference here is no U.S. citizen is calling the alleged murderer of the recruiter a hero and celebrating him like the anti-abortion terrorist groups are the alleged shooter of Dr. Tiller. According to the police chief, the alleged shooter of the recruiter “didn't appear to be part of a larger conspiracy and appeared to have acted alone.” The alleged shooter of the Dr. Tiller has ties to the terrorist group “Operation Rescue.”
I don’t know anything about the alleged Clinton computer stuff you’re talking about, but no one said the Obama Administration is perfect. I don’t give a dam if you show remorse for Dr. Tiller or not. What is despicable is making a hero out of the person who allegedly murdered him. It’s also ironic that the people who created this atmosphere against him with names like baby killer, and when someone acts on the hate you whipped up you refuse to take any responsibility for your actions.
There is a big difference between mistakes and incompetence. Incompetence is when the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil happens on your watch and then you use lies and torture to plunge us into an unnecessary and costly war against someone who had nothing to do with that attack. Then, you plunge the county into perhaps the worst recession in the country's history and leave it for the next guy to clean up.
You’re joking, right? First, no one is advocating for the death of babies. We don’t “give a rats heinie (sic) about our soldiers, nor our national security?” You better read my posts about the Livingston County Board of Commissioners refusing to properly fund veterans programs. Support the troops is just a campaign slogan for the likes of people like you.
“Obama's Muslim roots?” Please, not that racist bullshit again. It didn’t work in the campaign, and it will not work now, brett.
Do crazy people know they are crazy?
Speaking of hate speech, there is no such thing as a “socialist Democrat” in this county, and that is just a fascist Republican talking point. Second, it’s not a racist comment. I think a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life when you’re talking about the importance of judicial diversity in determining race and sex discrimination cases.
You know what, I don’t think I have ever known anyone who has had an abortion. The fact is it’s a very personal choice that I would never make, but they should have the choice. And it certainly is not “killing a baby.”
I really do not mind a person with a different point of view, I have learned from rational discussions.
Who listens to anyone who starts out name calling? I would say no one does.
On both sides of all debates, civil discussion works best.
I am beginning to wonder if this Brett person was the man who called me a "baby killer" (because I was running as a Democrat) lives in Hamburg Township. The man who came after me seemed as unhinged.
Does express his point of views like this at work, with his children or wife?
I cannot imagine.
The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (Pub.L. 108-105, 117 Stat. 1201, enacted November 5, 2003, 18 U.S.C. § 1531[1], PBA Ban) is a United States law prohibiting a form of late-term abortion that the Act calls partial-birth abortion. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the term "partial-birth abortion" in the act pertains to a procedure that is medically called intact dilation and extraction.[2] Under this law, "Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both." The law was enacted in 2003, and in 2007 its constitutionality was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart.
An abortion in which the person performing the abortion, deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother, for the purpose of performing an overt act that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus; and performs the overt act, other than completion of delivery, that kills the partially delivered living fetus. (18 U.S. Code 1531)
Sounds like murder to me.
Bluisy, apparently you listen. You addressed me.
Common ground. Let's see, you want abortion, I don't. Where's the common ground? Do we settle on "a little bit dead"?
You Socialist Democrats are all alike. You want to compromise away everything. Similar to the seat belt law from a few years ago. First, they can only give you a ticket for not wearing a seat belt if they pull you over for something else. But everyone knew it was coming. It only took a few years, but they changed it so that they could pull you over for not wearing a seat belt.
The smoking ban will be the same way. Get something, and go back for more later to make a legal activity more intrusive to a free people.
If you did run for some office in Hamburg, I certainly hope the people rejected you. We have enough jackasses in Lansing, we don't need them spread out through the little burgs too.
You haven't seen my comments because I haven't made any. I think people, not government, make better choices for their own lives. Vets don't need forced welfare. Leave the taxes alone and let people donate their time, money and anything else they choose. It's not volunteering if you're forced to do it.
Nobody is calling the shooter of the baby killer a hero either. Fact: The dead guy killed babies for a living. Fact: The guy shooting the dead guy to make him dead broke the law and will face the punishment.
The death of anyone is sad. It's especially sad because the baby killer had to appear before God to give an accounting for all of the death he caused over the years. So for that, I'm saddened by his death. But you're a fool if you think anyone is calling the shooter a hero.
A soldier is murdered by a man that converted to Islam and had intentions of attacking this country and you call that a hate crime but a doctor that kills babies for a living is gunned down and you call that a terrorist attack?
You are really one screwed up nutball.
I'm not surprised you don't know anything about the missing computer from the Archives that was discovered in March. YOu probably aren't aware that Sandy Berger stole sensitive papers from the Archives and stuffed them down his pants, down his socks and hid them at a construction site nearby and then went and collected them later when he could get to them unseent. You're probably also unaware that he came to an agreement to pay a $25K fine and the judge said that wasn't good enough and set it aside and fined him double instead plus the loss of his security clearance. He's out from under the security clearance problem now and free serve in the corrupt Obama administration.
I'm becoming more and more of a believer in Obama being a muslim. He's speakign arabic to the king in Saudi ARabia today and the press was surprised saying they didn't know he could speak their language (swoon). And one of his own advisors said in the press that there is more Muslim in him than originally thought which prompted ABC to do the story.
You should keep up with the news if you really want to know what's going on. There's a lot more out there than just the basement walls. Walk up the steps sometime, tell your mom hi, and look outside. There's a world out there where real life happens and not the fantasyland that you exist in.
With you in that "county" it's certain that socialist democrats exist there.
Hugo Chavez said today that he and Fidel Castro were in danger of appearing conservative because of the way Obama is governing and spending money and taking over businesses.
The man bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia has spent more money in 4 months than all Presidents combined from George Washington to George W. Bush.
He's already quadrupled the deficit and the debt is about to be doubled. This isn't Bush's economy. This is now Obama's economy. He took the stupid things Bush did last fall and made Bush look like a genius in spending restraint.
Bend over and kiss your ass goodbye because Obama is going to create so much inflation with his spending and his printing of money that that will be the only thing you'll be able to afford to do.
It will make the Carter years look like a drop in the bucket.
So far, some financial institutions have been nationalized, now two car companies have been nationalized.
Chavez has his work cut out for him to beat out Obama's socialism.
We were just made less safe because this INCOMPETENT administration has put out on the internet sensitive nuclear sites.
Wow, sounds like you went off your meds, brett. If you ever have any thing rational to say or something you can prove let me know, brett.
Meanwhile, as he said elsewhere, guru will spend his time exposing himself.
nonnymouse wrote: ...I think people, not government, make better choices for their own lives...
I can only assume he thinks people can make better choices for their own lives until it comes to reproduction. Then, the government must tell them what they can and cannot do.
Abortion is another column all together. Those who didn't notice when the republicans had contol of the House, the Senate, the Oval office and the Supreme Court and nothing was done to end abortion rights in our country are blind. These people are blind to their place in the party, the legitimacy of the issue and any possibility of changing the courts.
Let's work to reduce the need, it is the best hope of reducing the number of abortions and it is a bi-partisan issue. We can begin with better access to birth control and better sex education and child life classes.
I agree, bluzie. If the Republicans wanted abortion off the table, they could have easily taken care of it.
They are better served using abortion as a rallying point for the wingnuts. Nonny-mouse is a case in point.
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