Jan 31, 2011

Palin and Bachmann need to read a history book

The brain power of two of the leading potential Republican presidential nominees, half-term Alaska Governor Sarah Palin and bat shit crazy Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, is underwhelming.

Bachmann, who apparently speaks for the teabaggers, gave the teabagger response to the President’s State of the Union address last week. Why I have no idea. But in one of her more notable quotes on the Founding Fathers she claimed, “the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States….Men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country.”

There are, of course, lots of problems with that harebrained statement. About a third of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were slaveholders, as were many delegates to the Constitutional Convention, so the fact is many founders worked tirelessly to make sure slavery continued. Not only that, but John Quincy Adams was not a Founding Father.

Perhaps she got him mixed up with his father, the second President John Adams, who was a Founding Father.

After playing the victim after the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords in Arizona, Palin appeared on the propaganda arm of the GOP, Faux News, last week where she didn’t have to answer any tough questions from real journalists. She gave her take on the SOU address, and she went on a ridiculous rant on the President’s use of the term “Sputnik moment” that embarrassed the U.S. that served as a wake up call that led to the U.S. putting the first man on the moon in 1969.

The name of the SOU speech was “Winning the Future,” and Palin referred it as “one of those WTF moments,” for what The Fuck. This woman wants to be president? It seems she wants to be Ann Coulter.

“That was another one of those WTF moments, when he so often repeated this Sputnik moment that he would aspire Americans to celebrate,” she said. “And he needs to remember that what happened back then with the former communist USSR and their victory in that race to space, yes, they won, but they also incurred so much debt at the time that it resulted in the inevitable collapse of the Soviet Union.”
Now we know why Palin couldn’t tell Katie Couric what she read. It appears not much, and it most definitely was not a history book or a dictionary. The word is inspire, not aspire.

No, the USSR did not win the space race. They managed to put the first satellite into orbit in 1957, but the U.S. took up the challenge and won the space race. In the process, President Kennedy inspired many young people to become engineers and scientists and made the U.S. the world leader in technology for years.

The fact is the Soviet Union fell in 1991, but it was because of a variety of economic and political issues. The biggest reasons were because of the nuclear arms race that almost bankrupted the U.S. in the process and the millions of dollars and manpower it poured into Afghanistan. I hope we don’t repeat the same mistake.


Not Anonymous said...

Obviously, you don't know history that well. I guess this means that you're no better than how you describe Palin and Bachmann.

John Quincy Adams was born in 1767, not "hell, he wasn't even born until 1825".

He accompanyied his father during the Revolutionary War to Europe. While there, he studied and then went as an aide to Russia to get Russia to recognize the U.S. as a country.

Due to his contribution and to his education obtained while traveling with his father to the Netherlands and other places during the Revolutionary War, President Washington appointed him to be Minister to Russia.

John Adams did try to end slavery. If not for his efforts and those of others that agreed with him, including Jefferson (a slaveowner), the selling of slaves would not have ended. It was allowed to continue for a limited time to appease the southern states. On the date of expiration of that deal, Jefferson then did end the sale of slaves when Congress passed the law stopping it and President Jefferson signed it the very next day.

While I don't consider JQ Adams as a founding father, a case could be made that he contributed to the cause. Not bad for a guy that you claim wasn't born until 1825...which also happened to be the year that he became President.

I wonder if you think Senator Schumer is just as batshit as Bachmann. After all, he was just on CNN in the past few days saying that the three branches of government are the House, the Senate and the White House. WTF?

Communications guru said...

You are correct; he took office in 1825, not born in 1825. Thanks for pointing that out, and as always I correct my mistakes. Good thing I’m not a member of Congress and running for President. But like I said, John Quincy Adams was not a Founding Father by any definition or stretch.

But you are incorrect; the sale of slaves did not stop until Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation in1863. Jefferson did end the importation of slaves in 1807, but the sale continued until1863.

I stand by my description of bat shit crazy Bachmann, and no one comes close.

Once again, anonymous coward, I am still waiting for you to back up your outrageous lie that we were “nearly shoulder to shoulder once.”

brad said...

are you going to correct "hare" to have as well?

leading presidential candidates? i laugh in your general direction.

brad said...

You need a general comments wall too.

For example, this was about to be a very violent left wing attack right in your own backyard.


Johnny C said...


Before I start this rant let me remind you that you was the dumb bastard that quoted a woman that claim the Soviet Union fell apart after they launched Sputnik in the 1950s.

Those two airhead hags wouldn't know a founding father if he stood in front of them holding a huge sign with their names on it. What Bachmann prove the other day you tea party punks don't know what the hell you're people are talking about.

Another thing that's funny if Michele Bachmann was back in revolutionary times she would be siding with Great Britain and not those founding fathers. Conservatives since that time have always been on the wrong side of history.

And Brad because a right wing website says it doesn't make it true.

brad said...

Johnny Vegas, "let me remind you that you was the dumb bastard that quoted a woman that claim the Soviet Union fell apart after they launched Sputnik in the 1950s..." KevHead better ride your butt about your English because that makes no sense and I dont remember EVER saying that.

I didnt know I was a TEA Partier, but I am Taxed Enough Already.

Please stop voting. I say that because all of the programs the govt puts into place are in the red (that means they are running at a loss). For more examples of that see my response to you in the SOTU "blog" by KevHead.

Violent liberals here on this blog, name calling and finger pointing. In the words of KevHead, "WORDS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!"

Say good bye to Obamacare as it stands today. A true health reform needs to happen and Obamacare isnt the way to do it. Just ask Obama from then candidate Obama in 2008, "If a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house."

Kevin, start talking about issues people care about and not some stupid mud slinging for mudslingingness sakes which it seems like all you know how to do because you cant debunk back up etc pretty much most items you post you just try to ask questions back without answering the questions posed to you.

Johnny C said...

Again Brad you're the one that quoted a woman who claimed the Soviet Union fell apart due to Sputnik even tho the Soviet Union fell apart in 1991.And you brought up her WTF comment in Guru's SOTU post.

Tax Enough Already? Really Brad you make 250,000 or more a year? Because the only people who saw their taxes go up in the past couple of years were those who earn more than 250,000 a year.

Brad you can talk about English all you want, the stances you're taking you prove you got the intelligence of a fruit fly. You defend tax cuts for people who don't need it and you defend health insurance companies ability to make outrageous amount of money while denying people care.

Debunk what? It's from Red State and the stuff that posted on that site either comes from the RNC or some staffer from the Heritage Foundation. If you still don't get that Brad I'm saying a frog lifting his leg to fart has more validity than anything that's written on Red State.

BTW Brad you right wingers need to understand what projection is.

K. said...

In 1808, Congress banned the further importation of slaves. Whatever the intent, it served as protectionism for debt-ridden slave owners in Maryland and Virginia, who had for years been using their slaves as collateral and in the process ran up enormous debts. They took advantage of reduced supply to sell their slaves to the cotton and sugar plantations of the Deep South, ruthlessly separating families and destroying all vestiges of family life.

As for the Founding Fathers, by agreeing to the 3/5's compromise, they evaded the issue and deferred it for some future generation to deal with. This continued through several compromises until the Civil War forced the issue temporarily.

Although the war ended slavery as a formal institution, as Reconstruction wore on the North's commitment to the rights and well-being of freedmen waned. Meanwhile, well-armed southern gangs, mostly former Confederate soldiers, openly and systematically terrorized freedmen and white northern sympathizers. Eventually, northern politicians agreed to withdraw federal troops from the south as part the 1876 compromise that swung the presidency to Rutherford Hayes.

So, the era of Jim Crow began, a 90-year period that more than one observed described as worse than slavery. Again, the federal government either ignored the issue or put off dealing with it until the Civil Rights movement led by Martin Luther King provided President Lyndon Johnson with the opening to gain passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (public accommodations) and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Even those giant advances did little overall to achieve economic equality which remains an issue today.

In the entire history of slavery and civil rights, exactly three whites can claim status on the level of King, Frederick Douglass, John Lewis, Rosa Parks, aMedgar Evers, Robert Moses, et. al.: the abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison, Abraham Lincoln, and Lyndon Johnson. Whatever moral qualms some of them may have had, the Founders ultimately ducked taking action on the signature moral issue of United States history.

The said...

Chuck Schumer had it correct though on the 3 branches of Government!!!!!

brad said...

Everyone that reads this, Johnny Vegas needs a bit of help. I never said whatever he claims about Russia Sputnik etc. I say who cares and WTF to that.

Johnny and Kev and most libs dont understand taxes. If taxes are raised, who pays for those higher taxes? Us the middle class with higher costs, ding ding ding we have a winner.

When you start with the name calling as you and Kevin do oh so often, everyone else knows you lost the argument. Thanks again for playing.

Johnny C said...

Losing the argument? Dude all you have done is repeat already debunked talking points and cut and paste links to right wing websites.

The only people that saw their taxes going up were those who make 250,000 or more a year while 95% of the country got a tax cut. And if giving tax cuts for rich people stimulate the economy how come it didn't work when Ronald Reagan did it back in the 1980s and in the ten years when the Bush tax cuts were active? So cue the The Price of right fail horn on Brad.

Again Brad you quoted a woman that claimed that the Soviet Union fell apart after that event yet the Soviet Union fell apart in 1991.

brad said...

so by increasing taxes helped the economies of the 80's and 2000's gotcha. you could be one of the least informed individuals on planet palin.