tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post8658042251326930428..comments2023-11-03T08:09:15.690-05:00Comments on The Conservative Media: Special interest group still trying to kill workplace smoking ban with liesCommunications guruhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-57124636733072905592010-10-18T06:59:24.248-05:002010-10-18T06:59:24.248-05:00There is no difference. Following the law in enfor...There is no difference. Following the law in enforcing it. They can ignore the law at the expense of their liquor license.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-39595720181291125512010-10-17T20:40:05.384-05:002010-10-17T20:40:05.384-05:00Guru, while it is possible that you have simply al...Guru, while it is possible that you have simply already forgotten what I posted just three posts above, I have a hard time believing it. Businesses are required to FOLLOW the law -- not ENFORCE it. As I noted above, in the state of Michigan:<br /><br />Businesses are *NOT* required to act as actual law *ENFORCERS* in any sense, and do *NOT* have to physically eject smokers or call authorities Michael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-81901206944941292532010-10-17T19:08:58.790-05:002010-10-17T19:08:58.790-05:00That is correct; Businesses are required to enforc...That is correct; Businesses are required to enforce the law. Are you saying a bar owner can ignore the law?Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-2196102937516308312010-10-17T16:53:33.251-05:002010-10-17T16:53:33.251-05:00Guru, you wrote, "Businesses are ARE required...Guru, you wrote, "Businesses are ARE required to enforce the law" <br /><br />Guru, I provided a link directly to the law itself. Show me where I have said ANYTHING inaccurate about it, and show me where it says that businesses are required to enforce it in any way beyond what I have stated. <br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-73717851605534493252010-10-17T16:05:35.537-05:002010-10-17T16:05:35.537-05:00Again, there is no credibility study that proves a...Again, there is no credibility study that proves a workplace smoking ban hurts business. The fact is there is no way just 20 percent of the population can.<br /><br />Mark my words; the only change to the workplace smoking ban in Michigan will be to include casinos.<br /><br />Sorry, Businesses are ARE required to enforce the law; just like they can’t serve alcohol to a person who is intoxicated.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-15995004718986232782010-10-17T10:53:42.798-05:002010-10-17T10:53:42.798-05:00Hello again Guru! Just back for two things:
1) U...Hello again Guru! Just back for two things:<br /><br />1) Unfortunately the page holding my above referenced graph for the ban damage in Minnesota has been erased. It is reproduced with an update though on page 18 of the freely readable, downloadable, and printable "New Stiletto: Lies Behind The Smoking Bans" at: <br /><br />http://encyclopedia.smokersclub.com/257.html<br /><br /> Michael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-17675902467529438332010-01-30T09:40:23.625-05:002010-01-30T09:40:23.625-05:00Even if that were true, so what? The 112, 184 memb...Even if that were true, so what? The 112, 184 members only care about Michigan going smoke free on May 1, as do the 11,700 people who joined “Support the Smoking Ban in Michigan” and the 7,066 who joined the Michigan Campaign for Smokefree Air.<br /><br />So how is your group called “Amend the Michigan Smoking Ban” going?Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-85889049382633464342010-01-30T02:16:03.064-05:002010-01-30T02:16:03.064-05:00Just wanted to pop back by and let you know the pa...Just wanted to pop back by and let you know the page you so proudly held on high and declared some kind of public triumph, The Michigan Smoke Free May 1st blah, blah, blah page of Facebook. Yeah well got some bad news... its a front for an e-cigarette company. Listed in their info is the link to their webpage http://losethelighter.com/ please feel free to verify that.<br /><br />The sheeple get Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-45065259060878126862010-01-15T14:59:16.807-05:002010-01-15T14:59:16.807-05:00On what, that Michigan will be the 38th state to g...On what, that Michigan will be the 38th state to go smokefree?Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-3146503090600318432010-01-15T14:52:34.222-05:002010-01-15T14:52:34.222-05:00Hey Guru! At least we ended up agreeing with each...Hey Guru! At least we ended up agreeing with each other!<br /><br /> ;><br />MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-26939747849141549812010-01-15T13:55:29.739-05:002010-01-15T13:55:29.739-05:00DittoDittoCommunications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-87042795889918669292010-01-15T13:39:08.958-05:002010-01-15T13:39:08.958-05:00Truly amazing.
- MJMTruly amazing.<br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-30386244206029752042010-01-15T11:33:01.791-05:002010-01-15T11:33:01.791-05:00No, the movie quote may be cute, but it’s not base...No, the movie quote may be cute, but it’s not based in fact. Again, people smoke more when they drink, but there is no evidence that smokers drink any more than non-smokers. And, you have not presented any evidence either. <br /><br />That is correct, the economy had been going south since 2001. The very study you provided a link to said, “Areas that already had a smoking ban also showed a Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-60936971816545149422010-01-15T10:57:14.248-05:002010-01-15T10:57:14.248-05:00You're welcome. By the way, those numbers list...You're welcome. By the way, those numbers listed are the adjusted rates. They always adjust them after about two weeks from the original date. Most of the time they are adjusted downward. Those are the adjusted rates, not the original rates. <br /><br />For instance, sometime in the next couple of weeks, they will come out with the fourth quarter GDP growth or loss. Sometime in February, theyNot Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08263978142551394876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-60619162170231280042010-01-15T03:40:31.998-05:002010-01-15T03:40:31.998-05:00Thank you Not Anonymous! Excellent research. I...Thank you Not Anonymous! Excellent research. I'd never seen those figures before.<br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-12251256139219195042010-01-15T02:03:11.918-05:002010-01-15T02:03:11.918-05:00Quarter GDP since 2001
2001 Q1 -0.49%
2001 Q2...Quarter GDP since 2001<br /><br />2001 Q1 -0.49% <br />2001 Q2 1.23% <br />2001 Q3 -1.41% <br />2001 Q4 1.58% <br />2002 Q1 2.72% <br />2002 Q2 2.18% <br />2002 Q3 2.36% <br />2002 Q4 0.20% <br />2003 Q1 1.70% <br />2003 Q2 3.62% <br />2003 Q3 7.06% <br />2003 Q4 3.52% <br />2004 Q1 4.19% <br />2004 Q2 2.22% <br />2004 Q3 2.14% <br />2004 Q4 2.52% <Not Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08263978142551394876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-91039088458001537942010-01-14T23:07:44.305-05:002010-01-14T23:07:44.305-05:00Guru, the movie quote was chosen SPECIFICALLY from...Guru, the movie quote was chosen SPECIFICALLY from an antismoking source so as to avoid bias. There are many other sources in support of the claim that drinkers, particularly heavy drinkers, smoke far more heavily than their teetotaling counterparts. You truly appear to present a case of someone who will accept no argument and no evidence counter to your own personal anecdotal experience. You Michael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-7777091119903882052010-01-14T22:24:11.959-05:002010-01-14T22:24:11.959-05:00I wrote “You still have not answered how 22 percen...I wrote “You still have not answered how 22 percent have such an impact” because you haven’t. <br /><br />The smoking population don’t go to bars and restaurants any more than non-smokers. I know when I quit; I sure had more money to spend on other things. Not only that, there is not an ounce of proof to back up your wild claim. <br /><br />Seriously? You’re offering movies as your proof? Oh Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-86230431194497153302010-01-14T21:29:12.236-05:002010-01-14T21:29:12.236-05:00Sheesh... Sorry about calling you Gypsy, Guru. No...Sheesh... Sorry about calling you Gypsy, Guru. Nothing intended - I was just on a site called Juggling Gypsies and it was a bit embedded in the forebrain!Michael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-78555493174661123362010-01-14T21:27:47.908-05:002010-01-14T21:27:47.908-05:00Gypsy, you wrote, "You still have not answere...Gypsy, you wrote, "You still have not answered how 22 percent have such an impact." <br /><br />Gypsy, I fail to see how you can call this "not an answer" : I wrote, "Simple: the smoking population tends to frequent bars, casinos, and perhaps even full-service restaurants in a greater proportion than the nonsmoking population. Antismokers have admitted this, although theyMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-28472457577898012292010-01-14T18:22:37.701-05:002010-01-14T18:22:37.701-05:00I didn’t know Ireland was the first country in the...I didn’t know Ireland was the first country in the world to ban smoking, but good for them anyway one way or the other. Most countries have. I’m missing the part where a smoking ban has anything to with it.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-89989698623194374692010-01-14T17:01:36.825-05:002010-01-14T17:01:36.825-05:00http://www.irishexaminer.ie/opinion/editorial/pub-...http://www.irishexaminer.ie/opinion/editorial/pub-closures--decline-must-be-tackled-109615.html<br /><br />Here - from the first country in the world - Ireland - that implemented a smoking ban. <br /><br />It really built up their business....carraighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07322999309675959283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-79108877362469508142010-01-14T15:29:35.440-05:002010-01-14T15:29:35.440-05:00I disagree that your graph “shows the figures accu...I disagree that your graph “shows the figures accurately.”<br />No one said anything about the "Great Depression." I said the worst recession since the Great Depression that officially began in 2007. Like the report said, the decrease in nonsmoking establishments cannot be explained by a smoking ban.<br /><br />You still have not answered how 22 percent have such an impact. When I was aCommunications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-27312983169409465482010-01-14T15:07:42.274-05:002010-01-14T15:07:42.274-05:00Guru, you asked fair questions, and I'll answe...Guru, you asked fair questions, and I'll answer them fairly. My graph shows the figures accurately. If you found an inaccuracy in it please point it out. If you skipped it then how would you even KNOW that it showed an "interpretation to get what (I) want" ?<br /><br />The graph ends at the end of 2007: a year BEFORE the "Great Depression." I offered to send you an Michael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-86017248210342612252010-01-14T09:01:41.289-05:002010-01-14T09:01:41.289-05:00I skipped the graph because it’s your interpretati...I skipped the graph because it’s your interpretation to get what you want. The report shows drops in revenue are because of the worst recession since the Great Depression. I’m still waiting for you to explain how 22 percent of the population can have such an economic impact. I’ve asked that of every single pro-smoker, and not a single one has even tried. <br /><br />Are you honestly telling me a Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.com