tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post4141099717895956794..comments2023-11-03T08:09:15.690-05:00Comments on The Conservative Media: Republicans circumvent legal election to kill union and hurt kidsCommunications guruhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-55727120939724094012010-05-29T17:44:55.999-05:002010-05-29T17:44:55.999-05:00Yes, Republicans want something for nothing. The e...Yes, Republicans want something for nothing. The example of the union is just one. They don’t want to pay taxes, but they use and want all the things taxes bring us. <br /><br />I don’t know about a lawsuit, but federal law requires the union to represent that non-union member. If, for example, a nonunion worker is fired illegally, the union must finance the expensive legal proceedings to defend Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-17918162345222972762010-05-29T17:31:41.705-05:002010-05-29T17:31:41.705-05:00Again, Sen. Jacobs is correct, “no one is forcing ...Again, Sen. Jacobs is correct, “no one is forcing workers who do not want to be part of the union to join. Both Michigan and federal law prohibit compulsory union membership. Any employee who wishes can refrain from joining the union by paying a small representation fee.”<br /><br />Straight talk.<br /><br />It’s not a “tribute.”, it’s paying for the benefits they receive. Why do Republicans Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-18048266769310358072010-05-29T17:28:08.850-05:002010-05-29T17:28:08.850-05:00Yes, for a union. When a majority of people suppor...Yes, for a union. When a majority of people support a union, management throws up one more roadblock, and an election is held overseen by the NLRB.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-27801834952485887502010-05-29T16:41:14.578-05:002010-05-29T16:41:14.578-05:00Guru, you said: Easy, it’s not forced unionization...<b>Guru, you said:</b> <i>Easy, it’s not forced unionization, anymore than I was forced to have George Bush as my president. I didn’t vote for him, yet I was stuck with him.</i><br /><br />That's for a national election. If we are citizens, it's our responsibility... even our duty to find out who, when, what, and where in order that we may participate in them. Not doing those things Silver Kaithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10936335819043898336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-14611684536549909892010-05-29T14:39:18.478-05:002010-05-29T14:39:18.478-05:00Easy, it’s not forced unionization, anymore than I...Easy, it’s not forced unionization, anymore than I was forced to have George Bush as my president. I didn’t vote for him, yet I was stuck with him.<br /><br />As for the health care insurance reform, you pay a tax for not buying affordable health insurance. <br /><br />Unions - Pay a small representation fee to benefit from what the unions bring, like increased wages and benefits, safe working Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-74414951730267896642010-05-29T14:29:40.221-05:002010-05-29T14:29:40.221-05:00Guru said: I know Republicans want something for n...<b>Guru said:</b> <i>I know Republicans want something for nothing, but not this time. </i><br /><br />Republicans want something for nothing? Can you give me a specific example of that? <br /><br /><b>Guru also said:</b><i> You get the protection and benefits of a union, but you don’t want to pay for it. Typical.</i>.<br /><br />But ... was there a lawsuit at some point in time in which someone Silver Kaithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10936335819043898336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-41160546706206745612010-05-29T14:21:42.029-05:002010-05-29T14:21:42.029-05:00Guru said: Sen. Jacobs is correct; no one is forci...<b>Guru said:</b><i> Sen. Jacobs is correct; no one is forcing workers who do not want to be part of the union to join. Both Michigan and federal law prohibit compulsory union membership. Any employee who wishes can refrain from joining the union by paying a small representation fee.</i><br /><br />Doubletalk. <br /><br />No one is forcing workers to be part of the union, but still they have to Silver Kaithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10936335819043898336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-21172152778222934112010-05-29T14:16:37.542-05:002010-05-29T14:16:37.542-05:00Guru said: The load of shit is your comments, and ...<b>Guru said:</b> <i>The load of shit is your comments, and you made a heck of a stretch to compare the protection of a union to a poll tax. </i><br /><br />How is it a stretch? It's the exact same thing.<br /><br /><b>Obamacare</b> - Pay a fee for not participating in the national healthcare deal. <br /><br /><b>Unions</b> - Pay a small representation fee to be allowed the privilege of Silver Kaithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10936335819043898336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-55383747150587078752010-05-29T09:29:54.822-05:002010-05-29T09:29:54.822-05:00Both you and anonymous are wrong. The election was...Both you and anonymous are wrong. The election was conduced in accordance with state and federal labor law. It’s been challenged in court by anti-workers groups, and the claim has been rejected.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-23641920901833305642010-05-29T09:25:46.074-05:002010-05-29T09:25:46.074-05:00The load of shit is your comments, and you made a ...The load of shit is your comments, and you made a heck of a stretch to compare the protection of a union to a poll tax. <br /><br />Sen. Jacobs is correct; no one is forcing workers who do not want to be part of the union to join. Both Michigan and federal law prohibit compulsory union membership. Any employee who wishes can refrain from joining the union by paying a small representation fee.<br Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-33491225331769948512010-05-29T09:23:11.664-05:002010-05-29T09:23:11.664-05:00Not Anonymous,
I was going to go through and agre...Not Anonymous, <br />I was going to go through and agree or comment on all your comments (and I may still decide to comment on one or more), but just in case I get distracted or lose this link, I want to tell you that although I have not visited all the links you provided, I <b>do</b> agree with everything you've said <i>here</i>. <br /><br />Bless you for speaking up.Silver Kaithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10936335819043898336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-12153647167761422552010-05-29T09:16:09.267-05:002010-05-29T09:16:09.267-05:00Not Anonymous said: It's akin to the ballot bo...<b>Not Anonymous said</b>: <i>It's akin to the ballot box being stuffed before the voting began. 34,000 child care providers are forced into a union without voting.</i><br /><br />You are correct ... it's like automatically assigning no show votes, before the count, to whichever candidate loses ... ; but not telling anyone about it (not in any truly meaningful way in any event). John Silver Kaithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10936335819043898336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-9596784278668212652010-05-29T09:03:33.845-05:002010-05-29T09:03:33.845-05:00From the article: “In any event, no one is forcing...<b>From the article:</b> <i>“In any event, no one is forcing workers who do not want to be part of the union to join,” Jacobs said. “Both Michigan and federal law prohibit compulsory union membership. Any employee who wishes can refrain from joining the union by paying a small representation fee.”</i><br /><br />In other words, no matter what pretty words anyone uses to describe the reasons why Silver Kaithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10936335819043898336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-51535983456442887112010-05-20T22:01:31.561-05:002010-05-20T22:01:31.561-05:00http://www.nrtw.org/en/blog/michigan-home-care-pro...http://www.nrtw.org/en/blog/michigan-home-care-providers-file-class-action-02172010<br /><br />http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703478704574612341241120838.html<br /><br />http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2428974/posts<br /><br />http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2010/04/29/opinion/srv0000008149855.txt<br /><br />http://www.speroforum.com/a/32382/Motor City Liberal Returnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05316739270707220559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-66832060328157972252010-05-20T12:50:00.835-05:002010-05-20T12:50:00.835-05:00First, there is no such thing as a “union thug.” U...First, there is no such thing as a “union thug.” Union members are working men and women, including child care workers. <br /><br />Once again, anonymous, the election was a lawfully conducted vote as overseen by federal and state law and the NLRB. At no point was the validity of that election challenged through the normal procedures provided by our labor laws. <br /><br />Long on accusation, Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-80063766442223770142010-05-20T12:24:41.862-05:002010-05-20T12:24:41.862-05:00http://www.freep.com/article/20100420/NEWS06/42003...http://www.freep.com/article/20100420/NEWS06/4200315/1322/Union-offered-home-day-care-providers-pay-benefits<br /><br />Gee, union thugs showing up at a child care home. <br /><br />The vote was conducted as a mail in, and it came looking like junk mail. Even a union member admits this. <br /><br />According to the Free Press, Granholm created a shell company situation to get this going. Oh, and Not Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08263978142551394876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-9795540238429647732010-05-20T11:37:44.201-05:002010-05-20T11:37:44.201-05:00First, it’s not a scheme; it’s a lawfully conducte...First, it’s not a scheme; it’s a lawfully conducted vote as overseen by federal and state law and the NLRB. Second, it had already had its day in court and lost. <br /><br />“We're already seeing doctor’s offices with signs that say "Medicaid no longer accepted?” I haven’t, and what does that have to do with the union or even the health insurance reform bill? <br /><br />Wow, you did a Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-62996877550372261842010-05-20T11:14:13.935-05:002010-05-20T11:14:13.935-05:00I left out another possibility. If Child care prov...I left out another possibility. If Child care providers are forced into the union and still want to provide care for those that have their child care paid for by taxpayers, they will raise their rates to cover those costs. If a child care provider is smart, they will itemize each bill and list the union dues as part of the bill. If they do that, the state won't pay that part of the bill. The Not Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08263978142551394876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-44476401128001440502010-05-20T11:07:43.960-05:002010-05-20T11:07:43.960-05:00http://www.nrtw.org/en/blog/michigan-home-care-pro...http://www.nrtw.org/en/blog/michigan-home-care-providers-file-class-action-02172010<br /><br />http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703478704574612341241120838.html<br /><br />http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2428974/posts<br /><br />http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2010/04/29/opinion/srv0000008149855.txt<br /><br />http://www.speroforum.com/a/32382/Not Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08263978142551394876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-49661322670364067502010-05-20T09:05:55.830-05:002010-05-20T09:05:55.830-05:00Wrong. There is no one challenging the vote and ho...Wrong. There is no one challenging the vote and how it was handled. The rightwing, anti-union think tank Mackinac Center filed a lawsuit claming that because not everybody voted, the election is somehow invalid. The Michigan Court of Appeals rejected ridiculous claim, so while the case is under appeal, they turned to the Legislature where the anti-union Republicans were very receptive.<br /><br /Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-18325156157031581672010-05-20T08:59:23.251-05:002010-05-20T08:59:23.251-05:00Wrong. There are approximately 30,000 people chall...Wrong. There are approximately 30,000 people challenging the vote and how it was handled.Not Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08263978142551394876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-16821061534032016092010-05-20T08:23:33.809-05:002010-05-20T08:23:33.809-05:00So, we should invalidate the 2000 Presidential ele...So, we should invalidate the 2000 Presidential election because there was not a 100 percent voter turnout? The answer is no here, as well as for this election. <br /><br />The election was conducted legally and properly, and that’s why no one is challenging the actual election.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-71480370344882687882010-05-20T08:14:40.076-05:002010-05-20T08:14:40.076-05:00The key line in this is "Of the ninety eight ...The key line in this is "Of the ninety eight percent who voted". <br /><br />There are 40,000 child care workers in the state of Michigan. The majority of which are private businesses in private homes. There were only 6,000 that voted in this election which was not well publicized. <br /><br />In other words, this election was done in such a way as to favor the end result the way the Not Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08263978142551394876noreply@blogger.com