tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post4029088545763523261..comments2023-11-03T08:09:15.690-05:00Comments on The Conservative Media: The smoking lamp is not lit in all authorized spacesCommunications guruhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-6710300139240021782010-04-29T01:12:53.869-05:002010-04-29T01:12:53.869-05:00btw... sorry, I didn't post the link. Go to t...btw... sorry, I didn't post the link. Go to the British Medical Journal at:<br /><br />http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/330/7495/812#103642<br /><br />to see the full presentation on carcinogenic exposure of nondrinkers to alcohol when in an establishment serving alcohol. If you have any substantive criticisms of it please share them here and I will try to answer them.<br /><br />I'd Michael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-84799100945753372022010-04-23T13:38:27.130-05:002010-04-23T13:38:27.130-05:00Sure did; because they are ridiculous and do not a...Sure did; because they are ridiculous and do not apply. The bottom line is this, as you know, there is no safe amount of second hand smoke, and it causes a variety of health ailments, like cancer, stroke, heart attack and even dementia. There is no secondary exposure from someone drinking alcohol or eating popcorn.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-2765906278513260142010-04-23T13:30:51.638-05:002010-04-23T13:30:51.638-05:00Guru, I see you ignored the patio dining and popco...Guru, I see you ignored the patio dining and popcorn fumes questions, but your response on alcohol is interesting. You agree then that exposures to extremely small levels of Class A Carcinogens has zero effect... which is exactly the point I make about secondary smoke.<br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-29382834496968333992010-04-23T06:32:44.125-05:002010-04-23T06:32:44.125-05:00Wow, you really stretched for that falsehood. Sitt...Wow, you really stretched for that falsehood. Sitting next to someone drinking alcohol has zero effect. The same thing cannot be said for tobacco. There is no safe amount of secondhand smoke. No one is advocating the prohibition of alcohol or tobacco; certainly not me. <br /><br />The spin is just unbelievable. All I can say is I can’t wait until May 1.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-12741918090263960972010-04-22T22:01:19.979-05:002010-04-22T22:01:19.979-05:00Alcohol is a Class A carcinogen. It is also highl...Alcohol is a Class A carcinogen. It is also highly volatile. If I am sitting next to you drinking a beer you are breathing my alcohol fumes into your mouth and all over your mucous membranes. Please cite your evidence showing that exposure to that Class A carcinogen, at ANY level, is truly risk free.<br /><br />Hint: You can't. There is no such evidence.<br /><br />The causes of Michael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-28678864689879470152010-04-22T21:22:26.403-05:002010-04-22T21:22:26.403-05:00No, the admiral is basing his decision on science ...No, the admiral is basing his decision on science and facts. <br /><br />Again, there is no safe amount of secondhand smoke. I don’t ever recall saying I “feel smoke needs to be abolished because "there is no safe level.” You want to kill yourself, go for it, but you have no right to endanger my health. “Alcohol service in restaurants, or popcorn at the movies” does not harm the innocent Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-52797962336763367172010-04-22T16:42:12.266-05:002010-04-22T16:42:12.266-05:00Guru, I had not intended to rejoin this conversati...Guru, I had not intended to rejoin this conversation, but some of your statements leave me little choice.<br /><br />No, the Admiral is not necessarily lying. He likely, like you, simply believes what he has been told by "the experts" or what he has read in "fact sheets" and news stories because he hasn't felt it worth the time to really investigate and think about the Michael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-85589103257464152172010-04-22T07:32:02.524-05:002010-04-22T07:32:02.524-05:00So the Admiral is lying, but you’re not? Secondhan...So the Admiral is lying, but you’re not? Secondhand smoke is deadly, and there is no safe amount of secondhand smoke. That is not in question, it’s a scientific fact. <br /><br />Please excuse me if I’m skeptical of your claims over that of scientific facts and admirals. You are correct, “for nearly a century its been ok to smoke,” but saying “nobody was harmed” is simply not true. <br /><br />AsCommunications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-87213152475441168912010-04-22T06:59:27.854-05:002010-04-22T06:59:27.854-05:00Plans to allow women and gays, ban smoking shake w...Plans to allow women and gays, ban smoking shake world of Navy submarines<br /><br /><br />By Craig Whitlock<br />Washington Post Staff Writer <br />Thursday, April 22, 2010 <br /><br />Imagine 150 fraternity brothers packed into a container the size of a three-bedroom house. Announce you are breaking hallowed traditions by taking away their cigarettes and admitting women. Then lock the doors andAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-4646047180646284192010-04-22T06:46:42.129-05:002010-04-22T06:46:42.129-05:00Recent testing has proven that..........wheres the...Recent testing has proven that..........wheres the results of this supposed testing.....This entire smoking prohibition is based on nothing more than robert gates pushing for it and sending a directive out to the sub fleet commander to just do it. Whats he say....the same thing all the smoke free nutz say''no safe level''. I smoked on board subs we all did and the admiral is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-1374767208414114202010-04-21T20:39:49.774-05:002010-04-21T20:39:49.774-05:00Sorry, but the impression of your days on the SSBN...Sorry, but the impression of your days on the SSBN are not jiving with the facts. You should read the story in Navy Times. Vice Adm. John Donnelly, commander of Submarine Force, “Our sailors are our most important asset to accomplishing our missions,” he said in the release announcing the policy. “Recent testing has proven that, despite our atmosphere purification technology, there are Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-68637250885166254162010-04-21T20:18:51.986-05:002010-04-21T20:18:51.986-05:00I was a former submariner on board the SSBN henry ...I was a former submariner on board the SSBN henry clay.I attended basic enlisted submarine school at new london conn..........I can tell you that the air scrubbers on board the boat remove ALL HARMFUL AIRBORNE CONTAMINANTS FROM THE SUB AIR.We have the most sensitive atmospheric testing equipment in the world even what nasa uses....<br /><br /> WE HAVE ALARM SYSTEMS THAT sound off if ANY harmful Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-67191460650094464272010-04-17T21:54:01.807-05:002010-04-17T21:54:01.807-05:00OK Clear, short, and simple. The U.S. Surgeon Gene...OK Clear, short, and simple. The U.S. Surgeon General’s report. Like Vice Adm. John Donnelly said, there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smokeCommunications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-83809307480232054252010-04-17T18:21:34.201-05:002010-04-17T18:21:34.201-05:00OK Guru, let's try it this way: very short and...OK Guru, let's try it this way: very short and simple:<br /><br />1) How much of the Report have you read?<br /><br />2) Name just three actual studies in the report that specifically show that there "is no safe amount of secondhand smoke":<br /><br />Clear, short, and simple. Can you do it?<br /><br />- MJM<br /><br />B)Michael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-10703151514300780672010-04-16T20:49:56.352-05:002010-04-16T20:49:56.352-05:00Again, the U.S. Surgeon General is an impeccable s...Again, the U.S. Surgeon General is an impeccable source. Maybe the U.S. Navy should have listened to you.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-80694542027625383192010-04-16T16:51:44.949-05:002010-04-16T16:51:44.949-05:00I've read a good bit of it Guru, as well as th...I've read a good bit of it Guru, as well as the twenty or so previous ones concerning smoking since 1964, with most of them extensively footnoted in the margins and well-dogeared from fact-checking. <br /><br />And it's not a study. In point of fact, as anyone reading the response trail here can see, you have completely failed to back up yuour assertion of "numerous studies" Michael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-59777527086736213082010-04-16T06:52:17.867-05:002010-04-16T06:52:17.867-05:00I have backed it up. Read the U.S. Surgeon General...I have backed it up. Read the U.S. Surgeon General’s report.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-23824470681649522642010-04-16T01:26:39.150-05:002010-04-16T01:26:39.150-05:00Guru, I wasn't maligning the peccability of th...Guru, I wasn't maligning the peccability of the SG, just pointing out that his Report is simply a "summary" of studies introduced with his "opinion" of what they mean. It is most definitely NOT a "study." <br /><br />I asked you for the three best studies that support your position on no safe levels so that you couldn't accuse me of cherry picking weak onesMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-40886910447544616072010-04-15T19:49:58.971-05:002010-04-15T19:49:58.971-05:00Yes, I know what a “study" is, Mr. McFadden. ...Yes, I know what a “study" is, Mr. McFadden. The U.S. Surgeon General is an impeccable source, as well as the EPA. The positive results after a smoking ban are immediate. For example, in just one year after Italy enacted a national smoking ban, researchers in Rome found an 11.2 percent reduction of acute coronary events in persons 35 to 64 years and a 7.9 percent reduction in those ages 65 Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-60430651477467272192010-04-15T15:37:45.688-05:002010-04-15T15:37:45.688-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Michael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-31550581473278431292010-04-15T15:31:52.854-05:002010-04-15T15:31:52.854-05:00Guru, do you understand what a "study" i...Guru, do you understand what a "study" is? It's an original research article using data and subjects and statistical analysis and such, with a methodology clearly outlined and carried out, and then written up with a conclusion and discussion. The SGR is *not* a study. Something like the nationwide NBER/RAND report that concluded bans have no effect on hospitalization rates *is* aMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-7656287835371986322010-04-14T21:04:37.740-05:002010-04-14T21:04:37.740-05:00U.S. Surgeon General’s report.U.S. Surgeon General’s report.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-25427573239053640042010-04-14T21:00:12.128-05:002010-04-14T21:00:12.128-05:00Guru, you wrote, "As numerous studies have sh...Guru, you wrote, "As numerous studies have shown, there is no safe amount of secondhand smoke, and there is no ventilation system yet invented that will make it safe." . <br /><br />Guru, please post links to three of the best studies you know of that show any actual danger from the levels of smoke that would normally be experienced by sailors in those submarines or people in areas withMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.com