tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post2488919508211040881..comments2023-11-03T08:09:15.690-05:00Comments on The Conservative Media: Former Michigan Supreme Court Justice ignores legal election with union busting decisionCommunications guruhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-64557018774316291602011-03-04T12:14:55.591-05:002011-03-04T12:14:55.591-05:00More word games, and you accuse me of twisting wor...More word games, and you accuse me of twisting words?. But I’m happy to see you acknowledge that the attack on unions in Wisconsin is just another ploy to kill unions so the grand oil party can keep power. <br /><br />It’s a good thing the majority of Americans are against the union busting going on in Wisconsin and Ohio.<br /><br />Once again, thanks for pointing out the typo.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-15716526171941676742011-03-04T11:46:53.973-05:002011-03-04T11:46:53.973-05:00I'm seriously saying that union membership has...I'm seriously saying that union membership has been falling steadily for decades. That's a fact.<br /><br />"unions die" as you put it.kevinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14359743973083905789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-5034899431172323762011-03-04T11:23:10.763-05:002011-03-04T11:23:10.763-05:00Are you seriously trying to deny that Republicans ...Are you seriously trying to deny that Republicans have not been trying to kill unions? That would be another lie from you, and this war on unions is all about helping Republicans keep power. <br /><br />Again, when are you going to stop lying about this “stealth election?” Facts do concern me, but you have not presented any. In fact, you are presenting lies to try and make your argument.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-64855025484908800592011-03-04T11:03:18.063-05:002011-03-04T11:03:18.063-05:00Since you criticized another poster for writing &q...Since you criticized another poster for writing "youre" instead of "you're," you should try to be correct yourself...The word is "It's" not "Its'"....you should know that as a "former print journalist." But maybe it's not your fault; maybe your teacher skipped school to protest the day that was supposed to be taught.<br /><br />kevinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14359743973083905789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-75008600993369870902011-03-04T09:43:49.665-05:002011-03-04T09:43:49.665-05:00It means people are still paying union dues.
You...It means people are still paying union dues. <br /><br />You are correct, union membership has plummeted because of the constant war on them by the Republicans, which is what this BS in Ohio, Wisconsin and Michigan in the disguise of a budget crisis is all about. Its’ also why the middle class is disappearing and the rich are getting richer. In fact, the growing inequality between the rich and Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-26634621942436145082011-03-04T09:13:31.560-05:002011-03-04T09:13:31.560-05:00People are still paying union dies? What does that...People are still paying union dies? What does that mean?<br /><br />As for the size of unions, facts are facts and union membership has plummeted.<br /><br />You refuse to answer two basic questions because they destroy your argument:<br /><br />1. Of the eligible day care voters, how many cast a ballot?<br /><br />2. What training did the union provide? (You've already acknowledged that &kevinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14359743973083905789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-49936611392270123012011-03-04T08:38:35.221-05:002011-03-04T08:38:35.221-05:00That is correct; I am not going to let you get awa...That is correct; I am not going to let you get away with lies, just like I’m not going to let you get away with it now.<br /><br />Sorry, I have never lied, and you certainly have never proved I have. How do I “whimper in defeat,” and how did I change the topic?<br /><br />Sorry, you are a liar. It was not a “stealth election.” The rightwing Mackinac Center tried that lie, and twice it was Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-11515965523699109372011-03-03T22:26:03.404-05:002011-03-03T22:26:03.404-05:00You are not going to let me get away with it. Oh, ...You are not going to let me get away with it. Oh, big talk.<br /><br />You lie, I catch you, you whimper in defeat and change topics or deny what you said, even while you are saying it again.<br /><br />So tell me, since you don't know what they did, how do you know they did it?<br /><br />It was a stealth election. A tiny fraction of eligible voters participated. It was a scheme to put kevinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14359743973083905789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-24209434599631068272011-03-03T18:28:35.863-05:002011-03-03T18:28:35.863-05:00I said it because it is true. Again, how am I supp...I said it because it is true. Again, how am I supposed to know what exact kind of training was held? <br /><br />Sorry, you have still never exposed or caught me in a lie because I simply do not lie. <br /><br />The only person lying is you. There was no stealth election and that is just one more of your lies. The NRLP, the Michigan Court of Appeals, twice, rejected that lie, and the Michigan Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-18737694461465909992011-03-03T17:05:31.494-05:002011-03-03T17:05:31.494-05:00Actually, you said there was training and developm...Actually, you said there was training and development...now you are saying there is no way for you to know what actual training was held.<br /><br />Another lie exposed.<br /><br />You are also way off base to compare a statewide election for governor with a stealth election which was a scheme to funnel state taxpayer dollars into a union bank account.kevinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14359743973083905789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-83103211369369272632011-03-03T16:28:07.771-05:002011-03-03T16:28:07.771-05:00How the hell would I know what actual training was...How the hell would I know what actual training was held; I’m not a member of the union.<br /><br /> No, there were no coerced members of the union any more than I’m a coerced Michigan citizen because I did not vote for Joe Hune or Rick Snyder. Again, the union election was conducted, sanctioned and certified by the NLRB, and it was upheld, twice, by the Michigan Court Appeals. Now, you can and Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-29251004132803322802011-03-03T15:23:35.929-05:002011-03-03T15:23:35.929-05:00OK, so I asked if you knew of any actual training ...OK, so I asked if you knew of any actual training and you failed to answer that question. I can guess what the answer is.<br /><br />Of course there were coerced members of the union, in the sense that there were many who did not want to be in the union, but still had to because of an election they weren't aware of in which only a small number participated. In fact, it seems like the majoritykevinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14359743973083905789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-42663636913068816142011-03-03T13:56:00.549-05:002011-03-03T13:56:00.549-05:00There were no “ coerced members of the union,” and...There were no “ coerced members of the union,” and I can guess what the answer will be from someone who would make that false charge.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-70709573055781607272011-03-03T13:30:41.198-05:002011-03-03T13:30:41.198-05:00They said they did that. But did any of the coerce...They said they did that. But did any of the coerced members of the union actually see any of that training and professional development?kevinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14359743973083905789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-87062387544518006242011-03-03T10:09:47.401-05:002011-03-03T10:09:47.401-05:00Just off the top of my head there is training and ...Just off the top of my head there is training and professional development.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-32403213100360796412011-03-03T09:51:04.141-05:002011-03-03T09:51:04.141-05:00so, can you name a single benefit provided by the ...so, can you name a single benefit provided by the union?kevinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14359743973083905789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-14526856485774222342011-03-03T09:07:57.022-05:002011-03-03T09:07:57.022-05:00Correct, an election was held by mail, and like I ...Correct, an election was held by mail, and like I said, the NLRB and the Court of Appeals have upheld it as legal. Plus, the Michigan Supreme Court decided not to hear the case because there is no reason to hear it. However, one Justice made the decision on her own. <br /><br />Do I read all of my junk mail? I do when it come from the State of Michigan. As usual, nothing to back up your claims. Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-47537716357186593472011-03-03T02:28:10.446-05:002011-03-03T02:28:10.446-05:00THere are 70,000 home based day care owners in Mic...THere are 70,000 home based day care owners in Michigan. These are all private businesses. Approximately 40,000 of those owner have parents that qualify for state assistance in paying their child care. The state cuts a check to the day care provider that has a family that qualifies. <br /><br />An election was held. By mail. In other words, these day care providers received a flyer in the mail. Not Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08263978142551394876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-82203950933770407572011-03-02T16:05:10.235-05:002011-03-02T16:05:10.235-05:00First, I didn’t make a mistake to correct. Second,...First, I didn’t make a mistake to correct. Second, the source is not me, it’s the Detroit Free Press.<br /> <br />“How many of these voted in the election?” I don’t know, and I don’t care. It’s irreverent. The majority of those who bothered to vote, voted for the union. <br />Clear enough for you?Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-90525668022320557842011-03-02T15:45:04.851-05:002011-03-02T15:45:04.851-05:00You still haven't corrected your mistake. Typi...You still haven't corrected your mistake. Typical.<br /><br />According to you (and forgive me for using you as a source), the union was getting dues from 16,500 day care providers.<br /><br />How many of these voted in the election?<br /><br />Clear enough for you.kevinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14359743973083905789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-41358544817903843402011-03-02T14:18:01.892-05:002011-03-02T14:18:01.892-05:00Please stop playing dumb, or are you not playing? ...Please stop playing dumb, or are you not playing? The election was legal, sanctioned and upheld by the Court of Appeals, twice. Now, what don’t you understand? <br /><br />Like it says in the post, “the Mackinac Center filed a lawsuit claiming that because not everybody voted, the election is somehow invalid.” What that means, since you are unable to grasp the concept, is that just because every Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-67630000504416393652011-03-02T14:03:47.061-05:002011-03-02T14:03:47.061-05:00You still aren't clear. Is it because you are ...You still aren't clear. Is it because you are stupid or because you won't admit a mistake or because you are lying.<br /><br />First you say a majority of day care workers voted for a union. Then you say the turnout wasn't very good.<br /><br />So which is it? Did a majority of day care workers vote for a union? Or was it a majority of those who voted?<br /><br />I'll make it kevinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14359743973083905789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-84288854285162633462011-03-02T13:26:20.486-05:002011-03-02T13:26:20.486-05:00Right.
A majority of day care workers voted for ...Right. <br /><br />A majority of day care workers voted for a union. The voter turnout wasn't much better than the November general election, but we have to live with that one, too.Communications guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039487955952973487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35718918.post-88413088291904661262011-03-02T12:07:06.536-05:002011-03-02T12:07:06.536-05:00It's often hard to know what you are trying to...It's often hard to know what you are trying to say since your grammar and syntax are so poor.<br /><br />But are you really saying that a majority of the day care workers voted in the union election? It looks like that's what you are trying to say. If so, that's not how I remember the story. I think only a small portion of people actually voted and, of those voters, a majority voted &kevinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14359743973083905789noreply@blogger.com